[muir_redwoods]

So if complex structures, by their very complexity, require a designer, tell me who designed the designer?

[GourmetDan]

"So if complex structures, by their very complexity, require a designer, tell me who designed the designer?"

It is obvious that your question only applies to 'designers' that are constrained by the dimension of time. (i.e., 'natural designers' such as evolution, extraterrestrials, etc.) Further, you can only exclude an 'unconstrained designer' by assuming naturalism 'a priori'; but that is a philosophical choice, not a logical conclusion.

IOW... while you have designed your question to appear logical it is actually firmly rooted in fallacy.

Make sense?

[adorno]

So if complex structures, by their very complexity, require a designer, tell me who designed the designer?

Well then, the only "logical" answer is that, even the designer was a result of random acts of nature. Which then begs the question, 'was nature the result of random acts of nature?'.

Myself, I've always wondered how random acts of nature could come up with such things as, for example, a knee, which seems to have a design and a purpose. Think about "purpose" along with "design", and then, see if there doesn't seem to be a purpose with the designs?

It's like, there's a purpose behind every design. Random acts of nature don't have a goal or a purpose in mind.

[onedoug]

Outside space and time the designer has no need of having been designed.