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To: Swordmaker

Your wrong after Apple got their operating system from Xerox, which was a windows type system they went to Microsoft to get it refined, Which Microsoft kinda borrowed it!


30 posted on 10/13/2011 12:01:17 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: tallyhoe

I don’t think there is anything in that sentence that isn’t wrong.


31 posted on 10/13/2011 10:12:08 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: tallyhoe
Your wrong after Apple got their operating system from Xerox, which was a windows type system they went to Microsoft to get it refined, Which Microsoft kinda borrowed it!

Tallyhoe, Absolutely NONE of that is true... you have no idea what you are talking about. Not one word is true. Not one single word. You can look it up on the internet and find out the truth... so why not shut up before you really make yourself look like a fool? Some of us were THERE when these things happened. I was the publisher of a computer Newsletter at the time all this happened. Where were YOU?

Here is the story from one who WAS THERE, Bruce Horn. Bruce Horn worked for both Xerox PARC and later for Apple. He was THERE at both places and is uniquely situated to KNOW what happened. And here is another report of who invented what from Jef Raskin, also a major player in the invention of the GUIs. Jef Raskin was a professor at the University of California, San Diego, who had lectured at PARC and set them on their pursuit of a GUI... He later became the 31st employee of Apple and was the ORIGINATOR of the Macintosh project at APPLE in 1978—BEFORE Steve Jobs took it over—before the visit to PARC. It was HE who suggested the PARC visit to Steve Jobs!

Here is another source you may find enlightening, "Creation myth", an article from The New Yorker Magazine that was originally published in May of 2011 on the history surrounding the PARC visit and what XEROX did and didn't do with PARC and it's creations.

Apple had no need to go to Microsoft to refine their GUI... nor COULD Microsoft have "refined" their GUI, because Microsoft did not HAVE one. Apple had most of the finest GUI scientists working for THEM... they had hired many from Xerox. Why go to Microsoft?

Microsoft's mouse motion in Windows was not pixel to pixel but character grid to character grid... it was a joke! Have you SEEN Microsoft Windows 1.0 to 3.0??? It was a mess! Take a look at the five leading GUIs of the period:


Windows 1.01 copyright Microsoft 1985


Apple MacOS GUI copyright 1984


Xerox Smalltalk GUI copyright 1981 from Xerox Star


Atari 520ST TOS GUI copyright 1985


Commodore Amiga Workbench GUI copyright 1985

You really should KNOW what you are talking about before telling an expert who DOES know "You're wrong." Just like in this case, that expert, me, is likely going to hand you your head. . . especially when you MAKE UP YOUR FACTS!

32 posted on 10/14/2011 2:45:46 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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