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To: GeronL
GeronL: "100,000-150,000 others were killed at Babi Yar, according to wiki, so the jews were a third to a fifth of those murdered.
I guess none of the other victims need remembered? "

Indeed, the total death toll for the Second World War is estimated as circa 75 million, of whom 92% were not Jewish.
These include about 20 million Soviet civilians.

"In the months that followed, thousands more were seized and taken to Babi Yar where they were shot.
It is estimated that more than 100,000 residents of Kiev of all ethnic groups, mostly civilians, were murdered by the Nazis there during World War II.
A concentration camp was also built in the area.

"Mass executions at Babi Yar continued up until the German forces departed from Kiev.
On January 10, 1942 about 100 sailors from a military flotilla were executed there.
In addition, Babi Yar became a place of execution of residents of five Gypsy camps.
According to various estimates,[according to whom?] during 1941—1943 between 70,000- 200,000 Roma people were rounded up and murdered at Babi Yar.[citation needed]
Patients of the Ivan Pavlov Psychiatric Hospital were gassed and then dumped into the ravine.
Thousands of other Ukrainians were killed at Babi Yar.
Among those murdered were 621 members of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN).
Ukrainian poet and activist Olena Teliha and her husband, renowned bandurist Mykhailo Teliha, were murdered there on February 21, 1942."

Here is a partial listing of Babi Yar victims.

Now, my point is: I post on the Holocaust because it is important historically, and because much data is readily available.
This should in no way diminish the deaths of nearly 70 million other victims of that war, and I'm certain anyone who wishes to contribute factual posts on those deaths will find them as welcomed by Homer_J_Simpson as mine have been.

16 posted on 10/02/2011 8:55:39 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK
"Now, my point is: I post on the Holocaust because it is important historically, and because much data is readily available"

I'd be interested in your point, as long as you can also name all the German civilians who died of starvation/disease because of the year long Allied blockade of Germany after the WW I 1918 armistice.

28 posted on 10/02/2011 4:21:38 PM PDT by FW190
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