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So the whole "Ends justify the means" thing is pretty much an indicator of psychotic behavior.
1 posted on 09/30/2011 10:49:06 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: GraceG

So is my lack of spelling on the title, ooops.


2 posted on 09/30/2011 10:51:20 AM PDT by GraceG
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It’s a disroder like dsylexia.

But seriously, yeah. It is.

But this is not news to Freepers.


3 posted on 09/30/2011 10:53:02 AM PDT by SargeK
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Ya know, I get really tired of the whole “does the end justify the means” argument. It’s a phony argument.

Looked at logically, there are two extremist positions. The end always justifies any means. The end never justifies the means.

The problem is that nobody believes either extremist position. With the exception of religious or political fanatics, nobody really believes the end justifies any means whatsoever. In this case, the problem is not that they are making this argument, it’s that they are fanatics.

On the other end of the scale, almost nobody believes the end never justifies the means. I’m opposed to abortion, but there are certain cases where it’s better to lose one life than two. Anybody who believes otherwise is, IMO, a fanatic, again.

Similarly, theft is always wrong, but if I were the first person at a car crash I’d have no problem breaking into a pharmacy to steal first aid supplies to try to save a life.

IOW, the whole ends vs. means argument is a false dichotomy. A good enough means (defense of your country against commie aggression) justifies many means that would otherwise be unjust. Some ends are bad, and even good means are wrong if used to achieve them. And there are many good ends for which a great many means are not justified.

The issue is thus not a black/white one. It’s a sliding scale. Unlike many moral issues, it actually is shades of gray.

Trying to turn it into black vs. white just obscures the real argument: Does THIS end justify THIS means?


4 posted on 09/30/2011 11:06:16 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: GraceG

Liberalism also displays Sociopathic Behavior, such as preferring animals as small as insects over HUMAN BEINGS, where the environment is concerned, Anti-Growth ideas, Destruction of property, widespread abortion which effectively wipes out the next generation, even anti-entrepreneurial behavior such as the current persecution of Gibson Guitars, placing the value of inanimate WOOD over that of Jobs, Beauty, Workmanship, and ART.

The self-hating, contradicting, and hypocritical rants of such “people” as Jeanine Garafolo are a perfect example of this pathology.


6 posted on 09/30/2011 11:25:40 AM PDT by left that other site (Psalm 122:6)
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To: GraceG

Tyranny and leftists are one and the same, check history


7 posted on 09/30/2011 11:33:14 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: GraceG

8 posted on 09/30/2011 11:38:49 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: GraceG
Bartels and Pizarro found a strong link between utilitarian responses to these dilemmas (e.g., approving the killing of an innocent person to save the others) and personality styles that were psychopathic, Machiavellian or tended to view life as meaningless.

All of these are incompatible with the natural rights ethics of the Founding Fathers.

9 posted on 09/30/2011 4:01:02 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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Ping of interest.


11 posted on 10/01/2011 9:44:30 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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