Posted on 09/29/2011 8:43:31 AM PDT by Politics4US
Mark Levin says Rubio is a natural born citizen, and threatens to ban birthers on his social sites.
The absence of proof for this conspiracy is, itself, proof of just how deep and broad the conspiracy is.
He fails the Sans Nutjob test.
So, how stupid is your friend?
That’s fine if it matters to you. It also used to matter to me.
But it doesn’t matter to any judge, or any legislator, or any attorney general, or any secretary of state. It also doesn’t matter if it’s erroneous, or if it isn’t.
It simply is what it is.
Do you see who is president? Do you see what laws and regulations are about to be hoisted upon us?
That is reality.
And I, for one, am not about to play by a different set of rules than our opponents.
Sorry, but the standard has been set.
“This is the kind of blatantly false statement stuff that has caused him to ban Vattle Birthers from his website. I would love to see you make a list of “constitutional experts” along with their qualifications, who believe the Vattle stuff”
Better yet why don’t you look it up for yourself as it will give you a better understanding of the original intent of the founding fathers by actually reading all of the large body of work on the subject.
A child born to an illeal alien on US soil is NOT a US citizen. Illegal alien parents are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US because they have no allegiance to the US, therefore they can’t pass on citizenship to child.
No, you are crazy: Rubios parents both went through the naturalization process years after he was born.
Anyone born in the US or its holdings (military bases, for example) who is 35 years old and has lived in the US for 14 (I think it’s 14) years is qualified to run for the presidency.
I can give you a LONG list of people who shouldn’t be eligible to be President...but unfortunately are.
Vattel wrote on INTERNATIONAL LAW. The Venus case dealt with international law.
Vattel said only the children of citizens were citizens - which is still Swiss law. It has nothing to do with the laws of the colonies, states, or USA.
“So, how stupid is your friend? “
Oh I don’t know. An attorney who has studied the Constitution.
You are correct. I had never heard of the Teller Amendment until today, which forbade the US from annexing Cuba after the war. However, we did rule Cuba for a time, and reserved the right to intervene in their affairs if we saw fit.
The problem is Levin isn’t even willing to discuss this issue, whether it was about Obama or Rubio.
Thousands of illegal aliens who are in jail for violating various US laws would love that this were so. The only persons outside jursidiction on US soil are diplomats.
“Most constitutional experts agree with the Vattel version of “Natural Born Citizen”.”
Most WorldNutDaily experts agree with the Vattel version of “Natural Born Citizen”.
There. Fixed it for you.
It’s hard for me to believe there is not an honest to goodness definition of Natural Born Citizen from that era floating around. I don’t know, I’m not a lawyer, but surely this was not something they just made up out of thin air. And the fact that there have been a number (seven I think) Presidents with foreign born parents leads me to believe that the interpretation that is being pushed is incorrect.
Would that the SCOTUS would just rule on it and clear it up. It’s not like there are that many people affected, but get it out of the way. Not that the arguments won’t go on. :)
A child born to an illeal alien on US soil is NOT a US citizen. Agreed, and the reasons you state are correct.
,,,,, So really what this is all about is the FEAR that liberals and the Mean Streak Media have of Rubio and all other Tea Party / conservatives . . . I love watching these slugs squirm ,,, it’s probably the only humor I can find in daily politics lately .
CAIN / RUBIO 2012
“The distinction between citizenship by birth and citizenship by naturalization is clearly marked in the provisions of the Constitution, by which
“No person, except a natural born citizen or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the office of President,”
and “The Congress shall have power to establish an uniform rule of naturalization.” Constitution, Article II, Section 1; Article I, Section 8. By the Thirteenth Amendment of the Constitution, slavery was prohibited. The main object of the opening sentence of the Fourteenth Amendment was to settle the question, upon which there had been a difference of opinion throughout the country and in this Court, as to the citizenship of free negroes (60 U.S. 73; Strauder v. West Virginia, 100 U.S. 303, 306.
This section contemplates two sources of citizenship, and two sources only: birth and naturalization. The persons declared to be citizens are “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.” The evident meaning of these last words is not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction and owing them direct and immediate allegiance. And the words relate to the time of birth in the one case, as they do to the time of naturalization in the other. Persons not thus subject to the jurisdiction of the United States at the time of birth cannot become so afterwards except by being naturalized, either individually, as by proceedings under the naturalization acts, or collectively, as by the force of a treaty by which foreign territory is acquired.”
Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94 (1884)
If someone doesn’t require naturalization, then they were born a US citizen. And there are only two ways to become a US citizen - birth, or naturalization.
Also feel free to read Wong Kim Ark, and its lengthy discussion of the meaning of natural born subject/citizen.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0169_0649_ZO.html
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