Posted on 09/29/2011 8:43:31 AM PDT by Politics4US
Mark Levin says Rubio is a natural born citizen, and threatens to ban birthers on his social sites.
“You’re quite right, and so am I, that it doesn’ matter what they intended”
Actually, I think what the Framers intended is absolutely, fundamentally critical. You say it doesn’t matter. Your view defines the Living Constitution approach. That puts you at loggerheads to conservatism and squarely in the liberal camp.
Thanks. That was it.
No, that is where you want to put me.
I’ve noticed that it is a tendency of some FReepers to accuse those that don’t agree with them of being liberals, and I have seen go back to DU well more than once.
You don’t seem to understand my point.
How does what they intended matter versus what we willingly did to ourselves?
They built a boat for us, so to speak, and set us asail with all the tools needed to guide ourselves to our destination. Sadly, along the way, we adopted a new heading, and only we can course correct back to our original heading.
They aren’t here to steer the ship they built for us, we are. The decisions we make will determine whether or not we sink or float. It is the same way we can read the Bible and choose to live our lives as such, or not, and then experience the consequences.
It is the same way our parents can share their wisdom with us, and we can either learn from it or ignore it.
It is free will.
And if a free people refuses to guard its own freedom, then those people will not be free.
That would depend on the person I guess. But if I were to tell you that I was pro-life but had not really given a lot of thought as to the exact moment when life began - certainly at birth, most likely at some point early in the pregnancy - would you believe me?
You are the one making accusations. All I did was quote what you said. You said the Founders’ intention didn’t matter. I say it does. Apart from anything else, do you agree that the Founders’ intentions is absolutely critical?
The founders intended that the president be a natural born citizen. They didn't define the term. Or do you have some secret document showing where they did?
I’d be more inclined to believe you if you were more specific. When DO you think life begins? After the first week? The first month?
You can go back and read my previous post on this thread to find out what I believe. No way am I typing all that over again. It took long enough the first time.
previous post = previous posts
Is it too much to ask that you just answer the question? I will show you the connection after you answer the question. This is one of those things that has to be "snuck up" on people, because if they see where it is going, they will refuse to go there. :)
*I* am pro-life. I believe life begins at conception, not at birth.
We may disagree mildly at the exact moment life begins, but not on the the fact that abortion is a monstrous evil. Happy?
Now what does that have to do with natural-born citizenship?
People who argue that parent’s citizenship have no meaning as to eligibility for POTUSA do so on a personal agenda not an historical Constitutional agenda. These proponents of ‘birth on the soil only’ must realize that there are many anchor babies who can also be citizens of foreign nations. That is certainly a situation what the Founding Fathers did openly say they did not intend for POTUSA-Mark Levin to the contrary.
So you’re on board w RU486, and other morning after pills, etc.?
Also, the Fourteenth Amendment’s equal protection clause should apply. Just thought of that.
Yeah. Levin is just a constitutional lawyer, worked in Reagan’s administration, but what does he know?
He’s nuthin, compared to a Russian dentist-real-estate-broker-part-time-lawyer, who gives us the answer we want.
It was a polite and reasonable question. Do you have a quote from the founders defining natural-born citizen or not?
I’ve expressed myself thoroughly on this very thread. Are you going to harass me until I go through the whole, entire thing again?
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
What accusations did I make?
And this is what I said:
“How does what they intended matter versus what we willingly did to ourselves?”
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“You’re quite right, and so am I, that it doesn’ matter what they intended, because what matters is what we did, and that’s the reality of it.”
With regard to your question-
“Apart from anything else, do you agree that the Founders’ intentions is absolutely critical?”
Sadly, the way you phrase that question forces me to answer thusly. The founder intentions were not absolutely critical in light of our direct action against it. What is “absolutely critical” in a fraudulent, marxist, muslim being president is that we “willfully elected him”.
That is why he is there, because a free people chose to put him there, that choice being the critical agent.
You don’t seem to understand that I’m not taking anything away from our founding fathers intentions whatsoever, because obviously, when people went into the booth to vote for this man, those intentions didn’t enter the equation.
What is absolutely critical in this situation is that a free people willingly voted to chuck there freedom down the head. And now, no one is going to reverse that horrific decision for us, and as a matter of fact, no one can reverse it for us EXCEPT US.
And if we choose again in the next election to throw our freedom down the head, then we will be doomed, and rightfully so, and the intentions of our founding fathers will not have mattered versus what we willfully did to ourselves.
I really cannot think of any way to make my point any clearer. Yes, I am a lover of our constitution, and it would be great if everyone else was too, but I’m also a crazy diamond in that regard, and I am simply pointing out the reality of our situation.
You are just plain rude. I spent a dozen posts answering the question you are harassing me over. If you can’t go back and read what I said, that is no excuse to hound me. You,by contrast, had not previously answered the question I asked you.
Nor have you since/now.
When, exactly, do you believe life begins?
Are you on board w RU486, and other morning after pills, etc.?
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