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1 posted on 09/23/2011 5:44:05 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Voting for romneycare is as good as voting for obama anyways.

Look, sometimes you have to accept the fact that you are going to have to rebuild from ashes. Mitt Romney is "ashes", ok? He's just not going to happen, and if he gets the nomination it's 4 more years of Obama.

2 posted on 09/23/2011 5:46:33 AM PDT by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Wrap your noodle around this: if you do not vote, that is akin to voting “present.” Are you sure you want to emulate a certain someone?


3 posted on 09/23/2011 5:48:30 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (So much stress was put on Bush's Fault that it finally let go, magnitude 6)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

No, you are not voting for Obama by staying home. What you are doing is saying that you would give up a fought-and-died-for opportunity and responsibility to shape the direction of your country.

Vote how you see fit, but vote. Don’t throw that precious gift back in the face of those who fought and died to continue the freedom to do so.


4 posted on 09/23/2011 5:53:27 AM PDT by ReaganBaby26 (Matthew 12:36)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Reserve your right to bitch and moan. VOTE. If you don’t vote, then just shut up and go away.


5 posted on 09/23/2011 5:55:33 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I am almost 60 and I have always been one of those people telling you that. I always believed that. However from all of my years voting for “at least he is better than...” excluding Reagan we have always got a place holder or worse. I won’t do it this time. Not Romney, not Perry. If the GOP wants my vote they have to give me someone to vote FOR.


6 posted on 09/23/2011 5:55:37 AM PDT by carjic (I've always been taught to respect my elders.... but it's getting harder to find any!)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I was going to say that you can vote more than twice. Just wait the interval between elections, and vote in more than one election.


11 posted on 09/23/2011 6:00:22 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

A long time ago I decided to vote for Sarah Palin for prez in 2012. It’s up to the Repukes to make sure I don’t have to write her name in but that it be on the ballot next to the letter R.

They were able to rig the nomination for McChurian in 2008. Now, if they want my vote they’ll rig it for Palin.

Ball in their court. They have ALL the power and I have one vote in a state that’ll vote for Obamsky no matter what anyway.

F*&k it. I’m votin’ Palin.


12 posted on 09/23/2011 6:03:34 AM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
I don't care what polls say (317 polled - 70% of republicans don't want Sarah to run) Who does a poll of 317 people? I think if she does run & gets a chance to get her story out, she will win. I watched “Undefeated” and felt something I had not felt for a long time; Trust in a politician. People paint her in so many ways, but she is something our country has yet to see. She's alot like Reagan, with bits of Bush and even a touch of the sane part of Ron Paul. I pray God tells her to run. She won't without His blessing. I'm done with the news media, including Fox, (who is pushing Romney & Huntsman???) trying to push their candidate on me. I will make my own decision. Let me hear them talk. Let me see what they have done (without media commentary & opinions) and I will know who to vote for. Right now the only people I would consider outside of Sarah is Newt, Santorum, Cain.
14 posted on 09/23/2011 6:04:34 AM PDT by Linda Frances
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Actually, I'd prefer to vote "none of the above" in many elections. If that wins, both parties should have to come back with a new slate.

Philosophically, voting for the lesser evil is still voting for evil, and if I choose not to vote for evil, I haven't given my stamp of approval to anyone. In practice, I have voted for the lesser evil (just to slow things down some), but with the hellbound train pulling into the station, no more.

16 posted on 09/23/2011 6:05:10 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

A lot depends on whether you believe the rank and file Republicans would fight the policies of a statist Republican in Chief.

While conservatives may be mobilized at this point, and would probably continue to fight on regardless of the letter after the president’s name, I doubt that those on the hill, the ones we put there with the duty to vote, would necessarily do so.

on the other hand, my theory that it is better to have an easily identifiable foe in the White House than a Republican who is very little different in the long term is taking a beating upon seeing how much damage one can do in a short time.

I guess one’s opinion on that may depend on whether you feel it is better to bring it all to a head now, or later.


21 posted on 09/23/2011 6:15:03 AM PDT by Apogee
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Vote a straight Republican ticket for the eventual nominee. Take out the lower level Demos as they are the ones who are urging their reps and senators to vote all this crazy sh!t into law.

Vote a straight ticket and do yourselves and your children a big favor.


27 posted on 09/23/2011 6:22:47 AM PDT by texmexis best
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

There is no perfect candidate.

I would prefer an honest competent conservative candidate that can lead this country to become better.

At this point, we have two choices: A corrupt socialist/communist big government wealth redistribution Democrat Party; or

Republican Party that has a better overall policy of small government and individual responsibility that benefits the majority of its citizens that promotes freedom and opportunity for all.

However, many of its elected leaders have their own priorities that can be self serving and not always in the best interest of the Republic.

As was stated in the debate, anyone of the Republican candidates will be better than Obama or any other Democrat, so we need to support the best candidate, but realize that the totality of the voters will decide who the Republican candidate will be.

Let’s discuss the issues and promote the changes that we want, but stay away from petty politics.

We need to fully support the Republican candidate as reelection of Obama would be suicide for this country.


38 posted on 09/23/2011 7:05:51 AM PDT by ADSUM (Democracy works when citizens get involved and keep government honest.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
You bake 6 loaves of bread. Government comes along and takes 1 to give to those who don't have (because they won't bake) bread.

Again, you bake 6 loaves. This time they take 2 to give to those who won't bake.

Next time - 6 loaves, they take 3.

During this period, you've had politicians on one side saying "yes, lets just take one more loaf" and politicans on the other side saying "no, lets take it all!"

It is true that eventually you will starve to death either way (i.e. taking 1 more loaf each time you bake vs taking it all now), but you will survive longer if they only increase it by one at a time.

And you just may survive long enough to figure out a way to stop the madness.

44 posted on 09/23/2011 7:27:40 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Goodness....reading through this thread, one would think that Romney is our nominee.

From last night, it appears that Fox News wants that, as well as the other lib-media outlets, but the primaries are still months away.

Romney hasn't sealed anything yet and neither has anyone else.

53 posted on 09/23/2011 7:40:39 AM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing; Noumenon
This, “a non-vote for Romney is really a vote for Obama” misses the point.

First off, in this country there is one predominant party - the Government Party.

It has two subsidiary wings, that which we popularly know as the Democrats and the Republicans.

In the past, they have vied with each other to take turns running the apparatus of the government, with marginally differing views on how to do that. But they have all essentially pushed the same things, the same ideas.

In the past, we have called these “elections”.

So the first point is, that exercising your franchise is a patriotic duty beyond question is a nice thought, but I remind you in many dictatorships of varying flavors around the world voter participation is often above 95%, many times higher than that.

Next up, if somehow Romney is the Republican candidate, then the choice becomes whether you want to plunge head first into the swirling waters of socialism (Obama) or commit suicide on the installment plan (Romney).

Again, the “lesser evil” is still evil.

So the stratagem now becomes insuring that Romney or the likes is not the nominee. That is why we have primaries. This is where the first real blood-fest will occur, where we will see if there is anything to the perception that the Republican Establishment is, in it's current incarnation, in it's death throes.

Don't want Romney? Start working now to insure it's not him.

As for me, personally, I remember his old man. Met him once, briefly, in ‘68. Didn't like him at all, and I've always wondered just how far the acorn falls from the tree.

I don't like Mitt, either.

But returning to the original premise of this post, the Government Party, with it's attendant sycophantic propaganda apparatus, masquerading as the press corp, finally feels it's grip on the country in trouble with the emergence of the Tea Party (and rightly so!).

That cannot be permitted under any circumstance!

Personally, I don't give a damn about the Democrats, and neither should you. Beyond redemption, they can go to hell in their own way (and they most assuredly will). It's the Republican party we must commandeer, as they are, historically, most akin to our thoughts.

The day of the “big tent” is over. Having a “conservative” party brim full of liberals is a redundancy we can no longer afford. Liberalism is, as P. J. O'Rourke once said, Communism one drink at a time. Why should we have that in our midst? That's what the other party is for.

Just as in 1964, we do not have the press on our side. But unlike ‘64, we have the far-reaching effects of the Internet that can negate the former power of the liberal press. Additionally, there are many, many personal communication opportunities that exist today that were not available then.

Also, the corruptive influence of “public education” is far more advanced today than it was in the mid ‘60’s, and our own efforts at “consumer education” must be trebled because of this. We must become aggressive about this.

How?

By recognizing every communication with the public, no matter how small that public is, is an opportunity to educate. And by refuting smears, a favorite Alinsky-ite tactic of the left, with truth, and doing it loudly and aggressively.

Candidates like Palin and Cain would have no problem jousting with the mainstream press, and coming out ahead on it.

The point there is, we don't have to meet these guys on their terms, not when we can meet them on ours!

When thinking of deciding our country's future, and hence the future of our posterity, there can be no mistake - the Tea Party, or whatever it evolves in to, is at this juncture in history our last, best hope. This is the vehicle we should utilize to tap the widespread anger and angst that exists out there.

The Republican party as it is presently constituted is as good as dead.

The message conveyed must be unequivocal: This time, America really does want a choice, and not an echo.

CA....

58 posted on 09/23/2011 8:43:05 AM PDT by Chances Are (Seems I've found that silly grin again....)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Yes. The math is correct and explains a lot of the candidates’ and parties’ behaviors.

You have a base that won’t vote for other candidate no matter what. If you sacrifice (lose) one vote from the base, to gain a vote from the “mushy middle” from your opponent, you gain TWO votes - your opponent loses one, and you gain one - for a net gain of one vote.

That’s why both parties routinely screw their base. The “mushy middle” vote is more valuable.


67 posted on 09/23/2011 10:28:40 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Folks need to abandon the notion that voting is in any way of statement of principle. It's not. It's just a crude instrument with which to exert influence on the political process. If the best way to influence the outcome favorably is to vote for a jerk, then you vote for the jerk.

If you choose to stay home or not to cast your vote in such a way as to make it most likely that Zero will be out in 2012, then you are part of the problem!

80 posted on 09/23/2011 1:05:33 PM PDT by cynwoody
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