Posted on 09/21/2011 12:04:01 PM PDT by Niuhuru
I have been watching "The Passion of the Christ" for the millionth time and I would like to know more about the role of Lucifer in tempting Christ to forsake his destiny. I would like to know where in the Bible Lucifer, specifically, is written to have come to Christ in the Garden of Gethsemane and tried to steer Him away from His destiny.
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He didn't. The movie was a bunch of fabricated lies about Our Savior. I know that's not a popular stance, but it's true.
It’s in all the Gospels Niuhuru. Please read them all, you will be Blessed.
Matthew 4:1-11 (New International Version)
1 Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted[a] by the devil. 2 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. 3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”
4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’[b]”
5 Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. 6 “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:
“‘He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’[c]”
7 Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’[d]”
8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”
10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’[e]”
11 Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+4%3A1-11&version=NIV
He doesn’t. The scene is an attempt (IMHO) to show Christ’s agony in stepping forward as fully God, but fully Man. The the temptation He voiced about “if it be possible, let this cup pass from me” is reflected in the portrayal of Satan.
Not in Gethsemane. It’s a conflation of the temptation in the wilderness.
Well said.
Matthew 4:1-11
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%204:1-11;&version=NIV;
http://usccb.org/bible/scripture.cfm?bk=Matthew&ch=4
and
Luke 4:1-13
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%204:1-13;&version=NIV;
http://usccb.org/bible/scripture.cfm?bk=Luke&ch=4
In both Mark and Matthew, Jesus speaks of falling into temptation. Earlier in Matthew, Jesus refers to the Devil as the tempter.
There is lots of detail in the movie that isn’t described in the gospels. But if the gospels described in full detail every action around and concerning Christ, it would not be a book you could begin to carry.
How so?
In Gethsemane Jesus tells his three chosen disciples to pray that they not fall into temptation - but they fall asleep, even after he tries to wake them up. What he was doing in the garden, therefore, was taking on the forces that would drag them away from the truth, and from his teachings and love for them, after he left thm. The forces arrayed against them were so severe, Jesus sweated blood in taking them on. He was trying to help the three not fall in the future, when they would represent him to the world, until he returned.
Nowhere specifically. Implication many places. When Judas got the thirty pieces of silver it was a violation of the first commandment. When he was not recognized in the garden at the arrest it was a violation of the scond commandment. Gambling for his clothes at his feet while on the cross a violation of the tenth commandment. Pattern was extablished by three examples we can safely infer that the other commandments were broken as well.
I never read anywhere in the Bible that the devil came to Gethsemane. The Temptation of Christ by the devil was in the wilderness after his Baptism.
Maybe somebody is analyzing Christ’s asking the Father to spare him the cup as temptation of the flesh caused by the devil? I dunno, tho, seems far fetched in that Christ knew he would do God’s will anyway. He always knew this was going to happen, but maybe the flesh was resistant. The human body itself has built in automatic reactions to potential or actual harm. Like the Freeper fireman said about the jumpers at the WTC, when the flame hits, you will jump, your body allows you no choice...try putting your hand in a flame, your body will not allow you to keep it there.
But even that analogy doesn’t work, because of whom Jesus actually was and his mind’s power over flesh.
I never watched The Passion of Christ, maybe because I’m weak. I have read the telling of it the many times in the Bible and the agony of it all and the greatness of it overwhelms. Putting it in visual was too much.
The Bible does not say he was tempted by Satan in the Garden, but then it also doesn't say he wasn't.
Adding things that may have happened but aren't specifically stated as having occured aren't "lies." This particular example is a not unreasonable extrapolation from what we know happened and I don't see how it in any way denigrates Christ.
http://bible.org/seriespage/garden-gethsemane-luke-2239-46 Please forgive my ignorance with all sincerity. poobear
That having been said, as long as Satan in the movie doesn't have any direct action with Jesus (dialogue or any physical interaction) or with anyone else, I don't have a problem with Gibson depicting that Satan was there. Suffice it to say he was indeed there. After all, he entered Judas, and Judas was certainly there at Gethsemane.
Luke 22
Judas Agrees to Betray Jesus
1 Now the Festival of Unleavened Bread, called the Passover, was approaching, 2 and the chief priests and the teachers of the law were looking for some way to get rid of Jesus, for they were afraid of the people. 3 Then Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, one of the Twelve. 4 And Judas went to the chief priests and the officers of the temple guard and discussed with them how he might betray Jesus. 5 They were delighted and agreed to give him money. 6 He consented, and watched for an opportunity to hand Jesus over to them when no crowd was present.
Adding things that may have happened but aren't specifically stated as having occured aren't “lies.” “
In the matter of the Bible, yes they are lies. Anyone could otherwise say damn near anything and cite the Bible as not refuting it. Ridiculous. The Bible says what it says as the word of God. Conjecture and lies blend here.
So, in the absence of a negative, you'd prove a positive? And by doing so, you'd give a blank check to anyone who wants to speculate on any aspects of our Savior's life. Well, maybe he went to America and discipled the natives there. There is nothing to disprove this.
This is the same rationale used by the sodomite activist who say that Jesus had homosexual relationships with one or more of his disciples. Whose to say he didn't if it was not disclaimed in scripture? Blasphemy!!
Reading more into scripture than is there is exactly what scripture warns us of in the Revelation. There are numerous instances of extra-biblical exaggerations and falsehoods in The Passion.
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