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To: Vintage Freeper; Jeff Head
I Have a question, VF.

"•Phasing out of the Entitlements beginning with making participation in Social Security an individual personal choice."

If Social Security is already insolvent with mandatory participation forced on every legally working American alive today, how does it not merely become less so when huge chunks of the workforce are allowed to "opt out?" Mind you, I'm not arguing for the current system, I'm just trying to imagine how this "fix" can actually be a fix?

And if your answer, or part of it, is, "Make sure that all funds paid into the system are kept safe within the system," how do you propose to do that? Would not that act alone guarantee the solvency of the current arrangement?

Interesting, but not bulletproof. IMHO

A plan that anticipates and makes provisions for human nature would have a better chance of success. Huge piles of billion$ of dollar$ (as in a "Social Security Trust Fund" per se) are not safe when/if under the control of the D.C. election addicts.

11 posted on 09/20/2011 8:25:27 AM PDT by Gargantua ("I'm only voting for Palin because I can't run for President..." (_8(|) Doh!!!)
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To: Gargantua
The phasing out of the entitlements will be a challenging complex issue that will require Reagan Wing candidates to explain to the electorate a course of action that is as fair as possible with regard to people covered by Social Security. Here is what I would propose:

Experience gained over time and through the developed wisdom of open discussion in an environment where term limits moot some of the political repercussions of such discussion should hopefully establish a steadily improving environment for dealing with difficult problems in a responsible way rather than purely for political motives.

12 posted on 09/20/2011 12:00:07 PM PDT by Vintage Freeper
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To: Gargantua

Here’s a few thoughts off the top of my head.

Give folks the option of simply getting paid back, when they reach retirement age, the money they put in, in one lump sum, no interest and no business portion included.

I would take it...and then invest it myself. This would be far less than they are apt to pay out over someone’s life expectancy these days. but also allow the individual to grow that amount through their own investments.

Establish a certain age where people can opt out just as VF says, have another option where their money can be taken out, but invested wherever they indicate, including the market, with them taking the risk on losses, but the chance on better profits too.

Ensure that it is really an inviolate trust fund that cannot be raided. Subject anyone, including politicians to stiff criminal penalties for any cockeyed legislation, or other gimmickes that do try to raid it.

Human nature is certainly what it is, but most company’s trust funds for retirement are kept solvent...and the ones that are not, if there is any raiding going on end up costing people huge fines and jail time, as they should.


15 posted on 09/20/2011 3:59:49 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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