BroJoe wrote: “Unconfirmed ... Intelligent Design”
Actually, God has demonstrated his singular ability to generate time reversals in the Bible, a feat which modern physics is baffled to reproduce or explain. See http://xwalk.ca/y3nf.html for the details.
BroJoe wrote: “The evolution theory (confirmed hypothesis) simply projects these facts backwards in time...”
Until you can explain the time reversals in the Bible (no other book, not even the Koran/Qur’an does this) apart from God existing, evolution is simply confusion taught as fact.
It then goes without saying that Genesis is history, and it makes claims about what happened in the past. Though the Bible could be defined as a spiritual book about the history of God’s people, the few naturalistic and scientific claims it makes do stand up to scrutiny.
BroJoeL wrote: “Evolution science never was and never will be a religious exercise”
Evolution by itself is a pillar in the religion of atheism. It is a “creation account” for atheists, the same way that Genesis is a creation account for Jews and Christians. Read the full details of why atheism is a religion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godless:_The_Church_of_Liberalism#Central_thesis.
BroJoeK wrote: “where religion is entirely concerned with the spiritual”
The times I got jobs, and changed circumstances as a result of prayer, was that ALL spiritual, or did the spiritual manifest in the natural result because an uncaused, changeless, timeless Being answered my prayer?
Tell
Don’t know why “Tell” is a the end of my last post. :)
Sorry if I keep repeating myself: but the Bible is Revealed Truth, and science, by definition has nothing to do with revealed, or spiritual claims.
Science, again by definition, exists strictly in the material world and builds its theories beginning with confirmed observations = facts.
Since there are virtually no scientifically confirmed observations (in other words, facts) regarding many Biblical claims, science simply can't respond to them.
And that would include the example you cite here.
ROTB: "Until you can explain the time reversals in the Bible (no other book, not even the Koran/Qur’an does this) apart from God existing..."
Until you can produce physical scientific evidence, that such an event actually happened, science can't even begin to respond to it.
ROTB: ..."evolution is simply confusion taught as fact."
As I explained in a post above, the word "evolution" refers to facts (confirmed observations), theory (confirmed hypotheses) and unconfirmed hypotheses (aka "informed speculation").
The only confusion I've seen is in the minds of folks such as yourself who are dead-set and determined, no matter what, to deny the reality that the word "evolution" represents.
ROTB: "It then goes without saying that Genesis is history, and it makes claims about what happened in the past."
By definition, the Bible is history and many of its statements can be verified scientifically, or by confirmation from other contemporary sources.
But not all.
ROTB: "Though the Bible could be defined as a spiritual book about the history of God’s people, the few naturalistic and scientific claims it makes do stand up to scrutiny."
Some of its naturalistic and scientific claims can be confirmed scientifically.
But I will repeat myself: the Bible's purpose is not to provide its readers with a scientific text-book.
The Bible's purpose is to provide believers with a guide for spiritual salvation and immortality.
For that purpose, the Bible's scientific or even historical confirmability is irrelevant.
ROTB: "Evolution by itself is a pillar in the religion of atheism."
Many otherwise reasonable ideas have been mis-used by people claiming to believe them.
But in the specific case of Evolution theory, most large Christian denominations teach what's called theistic evolutionism, meaning God planned and directed evolution from the beginning in order to create us.
And that is my belief too, so your insistence that Evolution is nothing more than a tool for atheists is just factually wrong.
ROTB: "The times I got jobs, and changed circumstances as a result of prayer, was that ALL spiritual, or did the spiritual manifest in the natural result because an uncaused, changeless, timeless Being answered my prayer? Tell"
Obvious spiritual intervention, but about which science by definition can say nothing.
Once you begin to understand the separation of spiritual and physical, and the fact that science only deals with the material world, then most of your problems with Evolution theory can yield to explanation, imho.