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To: rbmillerjr
Big difference between danger and the mission.

THE DEPLOYMENT OR BEING UNDERWAY IS THE MISSION. It doesn't matter if it's carrier quals off VACAPES or a deployment to the PG. Get a clue. A ship or sub is a weapon manned by sailors and Marines and sometimes soldiers the same as a track or missile battery is manned by soldiers the same as a patrol is manned by soldiers or Marines. In peace time we were challanged quite a few times.

There always has been a military way to get someone unfit for combat out of a unit. It is called the Chain Of Command C.O. has such discretion to at least remove man from unit or command until a final determination can be made medically or under the UCMJ. If you served you know that much so stop playing games.

The same thing on a ship if a person is deemed unfit for duty due too medical, mental, or by bad conduct which can harm others. The C.O. or the Medical Officer with C.O. approval can get the person off the ship in a few hours time or immediately in a Brig which ever is needed. There are or rather were certain conditions where the C.O. would get a man off the ship ASAP for the soon to be discharged sailors own safety. The USMC is part of The Department of the Navy.

BTW I know about hazing. I'm a Navy Snipe and Snipes when I was in had their own traditional hazing everyone took in Engineering. First time was traditional initiation. Second time was retribution if needed but it was by no means a fatal assault by an out of control members of the armed forces. Today that same hazing I took which is not much worse than the Shellback Hazing can get you a NJP or Court Martial.

239 posted on 08/24/2011 10:16:07 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe; rbmillerjr

“it was by no means a fatal assault by an out of control members of the armed forces”

Neither was this. They made him do physical labor, and - gasp! - hit his helmet. Big whoop!

“The C.O. or the Medical Officer with C.O. approval can get the person off the ship in a few hours time or immediately in a Brig which ever is needed.”

Not true at a fire base. It was difficult enough to supply some of them with water and ammo. Regular bus service wasn’t an option.

I’ve never heard of a guy being sent to the rear for sleeping on guard duty. I only did 6 months at a large FOB, but no one in my family has heard of it either.

And what is unfit for combat? Falling asleep at night? What do you do when you send out a patrol for a day, and they end up staying out for a week or more - which happened often enough that everyone who went on patrol took as much water and ammo as they could? Why do you think my 190 lb son-in-law lost 45 & 55 lbs on his two tours in Iraq?

The reason most folks fall asleep on post is exhaustion. Not brain tumors, not narcolepsy, just severe Dragon Ass.

Suicide is not caused by punishing people for failure to do their duty. Folks debate how much is genetic, how much is depression, etc - but you cannot send all your depressed, unhappy guys back to the rear or you wouldn’t have anyone left!

And no, service on a boat or in an aviation unit is not in any way comparable to what the infantry go through. Service at Bagram is in no way comparable to the smaller FOBs, and service on a FOB is not comparable to fire bases. And no service on a base is comparable to going on patrol. I was Air Force all the way, but I spent enough time around infantry and have enough infantry in the family to know the difference.


240 posted on 08/24/2011 11:05:57 AM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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