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To: cva66snipe; rbmillerjr

“it was by no means a fatal assault by an out of control members of the armed forces”

Neither was this. They made him do physical labor, and - gasp! - hit his helmet. Big whoop!

“The C.O. or the Medical Officer with C.O. approval can get the person off the ship in a few hours time or immediately in a Brig which ever is needed.”

Not true at a fire base. It was difficult enough to supply some of them with water and ammo. Regular bus service wasn’t an option.

I’ve never heard of a guy being sent to the rear for sleeping on guard duty. I only did 6 months at a large FOB, but no one in my family has heard of it either.

And what is unfit for combat? Falling asleep at night? What do you do when you send out a patrol for a day, and they end up staying out for a week or more - which happened often enough that everyone who went on patrol took as much water and ammo as they could? Why do you think my 190 lb son-in-law lost 45 & 55 lbs on his two tours in Iraq?

The reason most folks fall asleep on post is exhaustion. Not brain tumors, not narcolepsy, just severe Dragon Ass.

Suicide is not caused by punishing people for failure to do their duty. Folks debate how much is genetic, how much is depression, etc - but you cannot send all your depressed, unhappy guys back to the rear or you wouldn’t have anyone left!

And no, service on a boat or in an aviation unit is not in any way comparable to what the infantry go through. Service at Bagram is in no way comparable to the smaller FOBs, and service on a FOB is not comparable to fire bases. And no service on a base is comparable to going on patrol. I was Air Force all the way, but I spent enough time around infantry and have enough infantry in the family to know the difference.


240 posted on 08/24/2011 11:05:57 AM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: Mr Rogers

Nail Head post.


241 posted on 08/24/2011 11:52:15 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Perry Palin Perry Pallin Perry Paliln Perry Palin....Rubio?)
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To: Mr Rogers
And what is unfit for combat? Falling asleep at night?

A fourth time? YES! Either the man had a medical or mental disorder OR he just wanted too sleep and didn't give a Tinker D. If he didn't give a Tinker D that is what Brigs, Stockade, etc are for. Marine Brigs are not a fun place and few especially Marines want to go there. If he had mental or medical issues his falling asleep was likely only a small part of the risk he could bring others. Sleep would be a symptom..

In a previous post I asked about some reports troops deployed were being given happy meds. I don't know if it is true or not but if so that can do it. Worse it can cause a Serotonin Migration from stomach to brain and person thinks his unit is the enemy, satan, or space invaders, because it acts in the same manner on the brain as LSD if a bad reaction happens. This is known to happen with antidepressants. They are 100% more a potential danger too troops than say prescribed Ritalin which will prevent someone from serving. Halucinations become reality. It's not B.S. Kook theory it's brain chemistry scientific fact. The onset can come in literally minutes.

Suicide is not caused by punishing people for failure to do their duty. Folks debate how much is genetic, how much is depression, etc - but you cannot send all your depressed, unhappy guys back to the rear or you wouldn’t have anyone left!

Hey guess what? The military has plenty of doctors and shrinks to seperate the sick from the slackers. I say let them have a crack. If they say slack then C.O. should say Brig. It should not take four times.

I was on active duty Navy from 76-80 and later Army NG from 84-85. I saw many a person between 76-78 say well time to go home and that is just what they did. They went AWOL 31 days enough to be declared a deserter and went to another command for processing out with either a General DC or BCD usually General. The Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines all had the issue. Believe it or not Rummy the man who started that policy when I was in tried to get it going again in Iraq.

I stayed my four years {now they have first timers for 8 if uncle wishes} and came home. The military despite all the problems was manned and ready.

The walk away active too civilian policy finally stopped under Carter. The government used retention incentives too keep those who wanted to be there and make sure everyone who signed up did their last obligated service day either in their command or in the brig.

242 posted on 08/24/2011 11:54:19 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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