You *research* is faulty. Sarah Palin has spoken about illegal immigration several times with Greata, Dean Hannity and FYI, *worried* PDSer, former Governor Sarah Palin and Governor Jan Brewer, AZ have their own website promoting AZ IMMIGRATION LAWS, with which Governor Perry takes issue!
You’re too new here to know that it’s not good to try to *start* forum wars.
This is a conservative site —— the premiere conservative site and forum on the whole of the Internet, and when all the candidates have announced, there will be plenty of time for each one to articulate their very own views! No need to rely on OLD, cherry picked information posted by an pposition camper!
Thanks very much!
I am ‘NOT’ starting wars, I don’t even post about Palin. As I said before, I like her, I just don’t think she is running.
What I am tired of is that people keep posting anti-Perry material, bashing him for his stance on immigration, when he had to contend with it in a border state, digging up and posting articles even as thread starters.
Conservatives need to have the same standards for all candidates. Is that too much to expect?
Rick Perry Has Concerns over Arizona Immigration Bill
April 30, 2010
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2763655/posts
Texas governor Rick Perry opposes border fence, in Mexico
8/28/2007
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2763487/posts
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,592942,00.html
VAN SUSTEREN: All right, now, I know that your past as governor of Alaska didn’t — was not the same time that Governor Jan Brewer of Arizona has gotten into office, but I assume that sort of governor to governor...
PALIN: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: What’s your thought on the heat that she’s taking over this statute?
PALIN: I’m proud of Jan Brewer for standing up for the constituents in her state, sending a message to Washington, sending a message to President Obama saying, Hey, you need to do your job, sir. And if you’re not going to do it, OK, then we are compelled to do the job for you until you get it right.
President Obama has been suspiciously silent on this issue, hasn’t he? We don’t even know where he stands on immigration reform or securing our borders. He doesn’t talk about it. He gets to punt on that one. And that’s unfortunate because this is a big issue. It’s all about national security. It’s about our sister border states that are inundated with violence and with crime because people illegally crossing the border, engaging in illegal activities for too long now. And some of these border states are saying, Now we’ve had enough. I admire Jan Brewer for taking a stand.
VAN SUSTEREN: Why do you think — I mean, for 20-some years, maybe even longer, even going back to President Reagan — everyone has always said, We’re going to secure the borders.
PALIN: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: Nobody has done anything. I mean, or almost nothing.
PALIN: Because they’ve made it political and they haven’t understood that unsecure borders isn’t fair to anybody. It’s not fair to American citizens who ware here legally, paying taxes, following the rules, doing all the things that an American citizen is expected to do. It’s not fair to them. But it’s not fair to the illegal aliens, either, here. They want to come pursue an American dream. Some of them do want to be here to work. But they’re forever going to have to hide because, you know, government’s going to crack down on them when (INAUDIBLE)
So they need to follow that path of legal citizenship, obviously. But these politicians, presidents in the past who have not secured the border, they’ve made it a political issue. They haven’t wanted to tick off a potential base of Hispanic voters, so they haven’t made the tough decisions. And that’s no way to solve the problem. That’s no way to solve any challenge in America, by ducking and hiding and creating division and making these partisan issues out of it.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
VAN SUSTEREN: Well, we have still more with Governor Sarah Palin. Governor Palin is blunt about what she would do about illegal immigration. She’s going to tell you.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
VAN SUSTEREN: Continuing with former governor Sarah Palin on illegal immigration.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
VAN SUSTEREN: Both parties have made promises. I mean, we pull up sound bites where, you know, both sides, you know, Democrat, Republicans, say, you know, Secure the border, secure the border. And then once in office, we certainly don’t see a whole lot of action. Had the election gone another way, or even if you were president, what would you do about immigration?
PALIN: The very first thing is literally secure the border!
VAN SUSTEREN: How?
PALIN: People mock the idea of a fence. What’s wrong with building a fence? Yes, let’s physically secure the border. Let’s ramp up border control. Let’s provide the tools for those who are putting their lives on the line in order to stop illegal immigration of these aliens. Those are a couple of things.
And then you don’t start talking about amnesty, either, kind of as this last-minute, Oh, anybody who’s here in the country right now, we’re going to provide you amnesty, and even though you’ve broken the law and we are a nation of laws, you’ve broken that, we’ll still give you — because then there’s going to be a huge influx of those wanting kind of at the last minute to come over the border because they know that they will forever then receive that amnesty.
So you don’t start talking about that, but the very first thing you do is physically, literally secure those borders. It baffles me and most Americans why for all these years presidents, administrations have spoken about it but never done it.
Posting Sarah Palin’s own words is not an attack.
She disagreed with McCain on ANWAR. If she felt strongly enough about the issue she would have voiced dissent.
Simple fact is that because she was Governor of Alaska she didn’t have to deal with the issue frequently as Perry does as a Governor along the southern border. That means she has less of a record trail. But as a candidate for national office she didn’t flee from the idea of amnesty. People are fond of posting Perry having a D- with NubersUSA but she has a D. Her position isn’t all that different from his.
Out of the choices with a chance of winning the nomination only Bachmann has a decent grade on the issue.
How condescending. How pretentious.
Is it now considered "starting a forum war" to discuss statements made by possible presidential candidates in 2008?
Maybe though we should have a rule that if someone posts anything about a candidate, they have to first fully research all the quotes from the candidate on the issue, and then they have to present them in full, with all documenting evidence. Because otherwise, well, people might start posting individual statements and pretending it's a candidate's position or something, and God knows we've never done that before and certainly don't want to start now.
Great post onyx!
Where is it? Come on! WHERE?
What's RINO Perry said? Let's see...
In A December 2006 editorial, Gov. Perry wrote: "I would rather know who is crossing our border legally to work instead of not knowing who is crossing our border illegally to work. A guest worker program that provides foreign workers with an ID removes the incentive for millions of people to illegally enter our country. It also adds those workers to our tax base, generates revenue for needed social services and it can be done without providing citizenship." and "Along with millions of Americans, I think it is wrong to reward those who broke our laws with citizenship ahead of those who have followed the law and are waiting to enter this country legally. And like millions of Americans I do not support amnesty." (Emphasis mine.)