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To: smokingfrog
Great looking weapon, but 7.62 NATO/.308 is not the answer.

The 6.5 Grendel from Alexander Arms only requires the upper receiver/barrel to be changed on the M-4/M-16, but delivers better performance than the .308!

With the addition of the 6.5 Grendel to the product lineup at Alexander Arms, the history of no compromise design, engineering and innovation continues. The 6.5 Grendel provides an extreme range capability for hunting, competition and tactical applications at ranges way beyond those previously achievable with this class of weapon. The 6.5 Grendel® has the flexibility to move from lightweight varmint bullets in the 90 grain class, which offer superb accuracy for competition and small game shooting, to mid weight 108/120 grain competition bullets and then on to 130 and 140 grain bullets, ideal for longer range, tactical shooting.

The 6.5 Grendel is challenging the status quo in Military and Law Enforcement units around the world. First unveiled in May 2003 at the Blackwater Training facility in NC, the 6.5 Grendel® out-shot the 7.62 NATO at range with half the recoil. Still supersonic at 1200 yards, the 6.5 Grendel® delivered superior external ballistics to the 7.62 NATO. Utter reliability, superior external and terminal ballistics than the current state of the art, outstanding accuracy in a lightweight M16/AR-15 platform it is what appears to be the pinnacle for what may be achieved in the M16/AR-15 chassis. The 6.5 Grendel is not a series of compromises, but rather the perfect marriage of mechanical function, internal, external and terminal ballistics all working in harmony.

Shooting a 123-grain Lapua Scenar with a ballistic coefficient of .547 and a muzzle velocity of 2600 fps delivers outstanding accuracy out to 1200 yards. At 600 yards, tennis ball size targets are no match for this flat shooting round. For extreme accuracy, formidable terminal ballistics and long range applications, the 6.5 Grendel® from Alexander Arms is unbeatable.

Compared to the 5.56 the 6.5 Grendel with roughly twice the lead mass gives you the potential for twice the mass of fragments, and if maximum fragmentation is coincident with maximum temporary cavity, the terminal ballistics are quite convincing indeed all in a package that shoots flatter, with 50% less felt recoil than 7.62 NATO M80 ball.

The .308 is a simply a weakening of the 105 year old 30.06, but the 6.5 Grendel or the 6.8 SOCOM/SPC are the ammunition for the 21st Century, and they are but a cheap simply change from the 5.56 rifles.

6 posted on 08/10/2011 8:41:52 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Forget AMEX. Remember your Glock 27: Never Leave Home Without It!)
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To: MindBender26

Attribution is customary on FR.

http://www.alexanderarms.com/grendel.htm


11 posted on 08/10/2011 8:52:23 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (Liz Cheney/Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: MindBender26

What would be the problem with using a serious cartridge like the 270 wsm? Recoil wouldn’t be much worse than a 308 and particularly with 140-gr all copper bullets and the kinds of ballistic coefficients that would produce, you’d be talking about fire-power and global reach in a single simple weapon. If I were the COTAR of such a project I’d probably start by asking FN if they could put together a 270 wsm version of their FNAR with 20-round detachable mags.


13 posted on 08/10/2011 8:59:45 PM PDT by redroller
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To: MindBender26

I don’t know Bender, I am a rookie at this sort of stuff. 308 ammo is pretty easy to find and I could buy 2 nice tweaked out M1As for the cost of that thing. Plus, I can’t see 1200 yards ;)

Don’t get me wrong, that is a beautiful piece, wish I had one, but when I can afford it again I’m going downscale.


18 posted on 08/10/2011 9:40:50 PM PDT by West Texas Chuck (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. That should be a convenience store, not a Government Agency.)
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To: MindBender26
Ping me back to this thread when 6.5 Grendel milsurp is $0.15/cartridge, available in 1000 round ammo cans.
27 posted on 08/10/2011 11:40:17 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: MindBender26
I couldn't agree more, although you made it sound a bit like a commercial.
There is no reason at all to go to a .308 except for "cheap military surplus" ammo, which seems mythical these days.
32 posted on 08/11/2011 7:43:55 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: MindBender26

The cost is ?


41 posted on 08/11/2011 10:19:04 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are..)
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To: MindBender26

Why would we want better when we can have more expensive!


49 posted on 08/11/2011 12:51:44 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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