No, I'm a social conservative. I oppose a whole list of things that libertarians support; Drug legalization, prostitution, gay marriage, ect...
IOW... You are a liar.
Posted on 08/05/2011 3:16:16 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
I rarely post an article, even more rare that I post a vanity. I feel that this is a topic that involves everybody, both pro and against. I have a few thoughts of my own, but I would also like to hear from heads and tails. Law enforcement, if they wish, please add your viewpoints; I am certain that you have a unique perspective. I'm hoping that this doesn't turn into a flame war.
I will submit from the start that I do not use drugs. So if anybody wants to issue a blanket statement that states 'If you don't use them, why be afraid if you have nothing to hide.' I regard that statement as analogous to 'if you have nothing to hide, why not submit to your house being search at will." Both statements are totalitaian canards by nature. They are disingenuous at best. Horrific at the worst.
There is something I want to address, a peculiar, non-traditional method that our government imposes, a dictum that seems to be the only solution for any problem that may arise.
Take the Second Amendment for example. Gun control (I often call it 'citizen control'). It appears that our government always addresses the lowest denominator possible. What I mean by this is that we have a relatively small group of people responsible for gun violence. In this scenario, the government responds by abrogating the rights of the many, law abiding citizens who are not guilty of these acts. Another example is the policing of what we eat. Same methodology. Restrictions are imposed on restaurants because a small group of people do not meet the physical 'requirements' that our politicians believe to be ideal.
This creeping type of political ideology is becoming more bold with every passing day. It is an invasion on all levels ranging from repealing 'don't ask, don't tell', to the blatant edicts emanating from Homeland Security. Which brings me to the crux of the matter. What and when is enough?
I will plainly state that I have had enough. How can any person state that we are fighting a War on Drugs and War on Terror with a straight face? We can simply declare that we have no borders and that could be stated with a straight face.
If you cannot (rather will not) find wave upon wave of illegal immigrants, how can you possibly expect to win both wars?
The reason is that such policies are intended for political expediency, and nothing more. Both parties are falling all over themselves to court the potential voting block. So what are they doing?
They are fighting a War on Civilians. Creating more and more alphabet soup agencies that it is mind numbing. This done out of 'sensitivities' so as not to offend Islam, illegal aliens, and other pet liberal groups.
The only people on the losing side in The War on Drugs are the average citizens who favor our disappearing Constitutional Republic. Our rights are being systematically destroyed, the Constitution is being fed into the paper shredder and it will not stop. Again, the question "what and when does it stop?". I for one have had enough. How do you feel?
You're arguing apples and Oxycontin.
I don't share your naiveté regarding drug addicts and drug dealers.
So you are either very confused over the basis for your position, or you are a liar.
Or I'm a social conservative instead of a libertarian.
Well, when you get the ‘just shoot the damned druggies!’ bill passed by the adolescent crackheads in Washington DC, you let me know, because I’m locked and loaded. And I’m darned sure responsible for my actions should they get near my children with their KRAP! And that’s a freedom I’ll certainly enjoy! ;)
The thing that our two little Law Encroachment supporting friends either don't understand or won't admit is that the adolescent crackheads in Washington DC, in your state, and at your local level NEED to have "druggies" or whatever running around "needing" to be gotten by the Long Arm of The Law. But it's only for a short time, because the wheels of the Giant Rube Goldberg Taxpayer Milking & Tax Funds Burning Machine need to be greased constantly with fresh "lawbreakers" and "fine money" or "asset seizure".
You start killing the druggies, then you got no fuel for The Machine.
I heard one of the fastest ways to get a cop to your house is to tell them on the 911 line that you hear a burglar trying to break into your house, and that you have a gun and are armed, ready & willing to shoot.
They'll be there in seconds, because they NEED that lawbreaker ALIVE for grease.
And what is it you are trying to "conserve"? It used to be the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and respect for the Rule of Law based off of them.
It seems more like you are trying to "conserve" some Nanny State notion that YOU know better how to run other peoples lives than they do...
Why do you need another law? The Self defense statutes aren’t enough? You are your children’s guardian. Guard them dammit! Don’t count on some faceless bureaucrat to do a good job of it.
Pfffffffffft, at my local level, we have the same amount of cops we had in 1963 when we barely knew what marijuana was and hadn’t ever heard of crack, meth, LSD. There’s still only one state trooper that covers the whole county. And our kids go to school with their kids and we know each other by name, not badge and we can pro’bly tell you what each other had for breakfast. And I doubt there’s more than two drug users in the whole school.
And that’s what I’m talking about...WHY would I want to have a LEGAL dope selling market on the downtown corner and make our community a haven for addicts? It makes no sense whatsoever!
The trick is not your government, but the people you choose to surround yourself with. And if you surround yourself with the dregs of life, it’s like if you sleep with dogs, you get fleas.
OK, kewl...you shoot one and let me know how it goes! As for me, I’ll just keep my freedom and teach my children to stay away from druggies and drugsters. And as a community effort we’ll just keep them out, as we have for going on 60 years now...by not making it legal to get them.
No, I'm a social conservative. I oppose a whole list of things that libertarians support; Drug legalization, prostitution, gay marriage, ect...
IOW... You are a liar.
But beware. The Machine just hasn't gotten there yet. In the same manner, The Education Machine took a while longer to get to the smaller areas, but it got there.
You do know this hasn't worked right? That drugs are just as easy to get right now as they have ever been?
I know, why don't you spend ANOTHER trillion dollars on the effort. After all, that is the government solution to every perceived problem; Restrict freedom and throw more money at it.
Jeez I can't wait until you kids go back to school this fall.
Worked in my town. Why isn’t it working in yours? Every public entity is going to have a certain amount of police per capita. Your claim that the drug war causes the need for more cops in some kind of control machine is bogus.
The only worthless lot is the DEA and you can certainly disband them and cut a lot of useless spending.
Legalizing dope may make sense to you, but it doesn’t to most sane Americans who don’t want that krap around their children.
As I said before when you live among scum, it’s like lying down with dogs, you’re going to get fleas. The problem is not the cops, it’s not about cost, it’s not about lost rights. It’s about being willing to live with scum-sucking drug addicts.
The blithering about the cops, the cost and loss of rights is no more or less than propaganda talk by the already addicted scum that wants it cheaper, that wants more of it, and doesn’t give a rip about how many other children acquire their addictions.
Why do we have asset forfeiture? Because of the drug war.
Why do we have militarized police units? Because of the drug war.
Your claim that the drug war causes the need for more cops in some kind of control machine is bogus.
No. Just your idiocy to the contrary...
As for my kids and dope, I'm raising my kids to understand that self-destructive life styles are a bad deal. I don't need you or the government to stick a gun in our faces to do it your way.
When you have some actual facts on your side, feel free to come back and blither some more.
And there you have it...I rest my case, lol
The last militarized police units I saw were stopping the riots after Katrina, in a city that is full of scumbags and looters.
Asset forfeiture? And no knock raids? First you’re for and then agin.
Make up your mind! You’re still not making sense. No government entity is going to stick a gun in your child’s face unless they are breaking the law. And the majority of drug addicts are doing just that, breaking the law, in totally simple terms. If you don’t want to go to jail, don’t break the law. What a simple concept and you just don’t get it.
you kids...
Speaking of which, you'll find a hard time finding many people over the age of 20 who support the legalization of drugs.
You haven't presented a case to begin with.
...unless they are breaking the law.
Ok... Where in the Constitution does it give the FedGov the power to run a "war on drugs". If you say "commerce clause", slap yourself and go sit in the corner.
If you don’t want to go to jail, don’t break the law.
There was once a law on the books that said it was ok to own others as property. Not all laws are good laws nor are they all Constitutional. Would you be as sanguine about a gun control ban going into place? Why not? The same logic is being used in both cases.
I'd tell you to think about it, but I'm not sure you have the requisite faculties.
Both are accurate. You said you didn't want control over other peoples lives, but then advocate several positions that do exactly that. You claim to be a "conservative", but then turn around and defecate on the Constitution and the very basis for the rule of law.
I'll assume you meant "flaming". You are the one who continues to make baseless assertion after baseless assertion with only more baseless assertions to back it up.
Two words...get lost! Go soak your head in a bucket of drugs and steriods and get yourself happy!
I believe the US Constitution gives Congress the authority to enact war where they see fit. That would be Artle 1, Section 8, Clause 11.
There has been Narcostics control in this country since 1914, and yet millions of Americans choose to break the law and soak their heads in mind-alerting drugs for high kicks and escapism. As well as damage their bodies trying to pump up their ego’s.
GO FIGURE!
And so RowdyFFC makes the "war on poverty" a constitionally sound exercise in redistribution of wealth. Congratulations.
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