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Alabama F-16 comes off runway at Oshkosh (w/ picture)
F-16.net ^ | 7/28/2011 | Asif Shamim

Posted on 07/29/2011 7:30:51 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity

July 28, 2011 (by Asif Shamim) - An F-16C block 30 from 100 FS (#87-0296) sustained a hard landing after coming off the runway at Wittman Regional Airport during the AirVenture event at Oshkosh this morning.

The incident happened at 11.20h local time on the north runway at Wittman Regional Airport near the Warbirds area.

Information regarding the status of pilot has not been released, but was early reports indicate the pilot walked away and was taken for medical attention.

Bill Tregoning an eyewitness reported the following "It looked like the plane came off the edge of the runway going about 60 miles per hour," he said. "The front landing gear sunk into the soft ground because of the rain."

He said the front landing gear of the F-16 may have broken.

A board of enquiry will look into the accident


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To: Sparky1776; militant2; TaMoDee; freedumb2003; PERKY2004

F-16 Ping.


21 posted on 07/29/2011 10:20:40 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Thane_Banquo

They effectively have 5 runways during show week. Plus, they have 2 traffic patterns, slow movers @ 800 and fast movers @ 1200, IIRC.

They have “short “ and “long” designations on both main runways (ie. land 27 short or 27 long) and use the taxiway as a runway sometimes.

It isn’t for the faint of heart, but if one is a competent pilot, they should have no problems.


22 posted on 07/29/2011 10:22:14 AM PDT by wrench
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To: wrench
From Avweb:

F-16 Runway Overrun at Oshkosh
An F-16 rolled off the end of Runway 36 at Wittman Regional Airport after landing about 11:40 a.m. Thursday.
The aircraft did what appeared to be a normal landing with a high alpha rollout, but it failed to stop, and it appears the nosegear was collapsed when it hit the grass.
In the accompanying photos, the engine nozzle appears to be in the fully open position during the landing roll, and a small fire can be seen in the aircraft's tailpipe after it stops.
The photos were taken by AVweb intern Adam Cutler. (The airport was temporarily closed at the time of the incident.)

Perhaps the "high-alpha rollout" makes it look like he was trying to go around.

23 posted on 07/29/2011 10:47:36 AM PDT by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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To: lurk

No way, gov. doesn’t pay enough (regardless of the rumors you hear). Ex-pilots take jobs a Boeing and Lockheed for $160,000/yr starting.


24 posted on 07/29/2011 10:52:31 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: grobdriver

No, the nose gear was not collapsed when it hit the grass. The article is wrong. The picture sequence clearly shows an intact NLG, which collapsed AFTER going onto the soft grass.


25 posted on 07/29/2011 11:02:12 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: wrench
Since it is only a 3.5 hr drive for me, I don't need to take the risk. Admittedly, though, this F16 pilot should be competent enough to land on a, what, 7000' -ish runway? He was just not paying attention.

Have you seen this video? Evidently their ATCs are not brilliant, although what can you expect when they work for the government.

26 posted on 07/29/2011 11:11:01 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
No, the nose gear was not collapsed when it hit the grass. The article is wrong.

The article wasn't wrong, just poorly worded. I took the sentence to mean "when the nose gear hit the grass, it collapsed."

27 posted on 07/29/2011 2:13:23 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: wrench
Look at the slide show, he did go to full power after leaving the runway, had full up elevator as well, he (or she) was trying to power out of it.

Picture 10:

And picture 11:

Note the lack of flames coming out of the aircraft in picture 10. The aircraft was not in afterburner when it departed the runway. What you see in the slide show is debris being sucked through the engine.

As reference, this is what an F-16 in full afterburner looks like:


28 posted on 07/29/2011 2:20:54 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Puppage

If he used his AMEX card to rent the plane, AMEX will pay for any damages.


29 posted on 07/29/2011 2:36:07 PM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: wrench

No, the nozzle setting is a bit counterintuitive. The nozzle is pretty open, which implies low throttle setting. If the nozzle were closed small, that would mean high power. When departing the runway, the pilot is supposed to chop the engine to minimize FOD damage. It looks like he/she did here.


30 posted on 07/29/2011 4:38:06 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: Yo-Yo

It appears the engine is spooling up between pic 10 and pic 11. Not in AB, but not at idle either.

It is a multi-million dollar screw up, pilot error.


31 posted on 07/29/2011 6:11:02 PM PDT by wrench
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To: wrench
It appears the engine is spooling up between pic 10 and pic 11. Not in AB, but not at idle either.

In the amount of time that elapsed between pic 10 and 11, a turbine engine cannot spool up very much. When it start sucking in prime Wisconson turf, however, it can spool down rather quickly (and permanently...)

32 posted on 07/29/2011 7:03:00 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: OrioleFan

>> He said the front landing gear of the F-16 may have broken.

Presumably while on the runway. Too much weight on the nose while landing?


33 posted on 07/29/2011 7:06:27 PM PDT by Gene Eric (May our dreams converge for a free and prosperous nation.)
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To: Gene Eric
>> He said the front landing gear of the F-16 may have broken.

Presumably while on the runway. Too much weight on the nose while landing?

Nope. The landing gear collapsed after the aircraft ran off the end of the runway and hit very soft rain soaked ground and sunk in.

34 posted on 07/30/2011 9:10:57 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: wrench

That is interesting, I didn’t see that before. With the deceleration and gear collapsing, maybe the pilot hit the throttle with his hand or arm while being thrown forward, because the nozzle does close down between 10 and 11. Just a thought.


35 posted on 07/30/2011 10:37:52 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: All

Here it is on You-Tube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUei3kAcl9s&feature=related

Latest word is that the pilot landed long (like halfway down the runway). I can’t confirm that, but here’s 2 things that I saw: 1. No speed brakes deployed. 2. Pilot didn’t use full aft stick on rollout. This guy was having a bad day.


36 posted on 07/30/2011 10:43:50 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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The runway the pilot landed on (36L) is 8002’ long. It appeared to be a dry surface, so that’s plenty of concrete to stop on. It looks like he/she landed long. I’m surprised the USAF did not install an aircraft arresting system at the airport. They usually do this for airshows at airfields that don’t have them. Would have saved the day if one was installed.


37 posted on 08/02/2011 5:23:02 PM PDT by NYFreeper
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