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Apple announces OS X Lion, iOS 5, iCloud
Engadget ^ | 6/6/11 | Engadget

Posted on 06/06/2011 12:35:21 PM PDT by ctdonath2

Apple introduced OS X Lion, iOS 5, and iCloud today. Lots of articles at the link and elsewhere.


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To: antiRepublicrat

“It’s not a matter of being okay with a gimped phone, or not having the acumen to flash.”

Sure it is. If I tell you that your carrier has disabled the wireless tether function on your phone because they want to charge you to be able to do so even though you’ve already paid for a certain amount of bandwidth...and you don’t care even if I offer to do it for you for free is being OK with a gimped phone.

Anyone who doesn’t work around Wifi and has would still like to use their wireless devices would stand to benefit from that.

Don’t want to spend $629 dollars on an iPad 2 with 3G? Just buy the wifi only model for $499 and tether it wirelessly through your phone. There, I just saved you $130 bucks on the iPad or $20 bucks a month w/AT&T.


181 posted on 06/09/2011 4:17:53 PM PDT by F1reEng1neRed
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To: antiRepublicrat
BTW, why do we call it ROM? It's not read-only, since we can easily write to it.

It's read-only in the normal functioning of the device. Nothing gets written to ROM when you're using the phone. Almost nothing very complicated uses hard-coded ROMs any more; even wireless routers and cable modems use flashable firmware these days.

182 posted on 06/09/2011 11:47:25 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: ReignOfError

In most phones it’s not even a special EEPROM, it’s effectively your system hard disk where you store your photos and contacts, that’s just protected from user writes in system areas. It’s really not much different in concept than an SSD notebook where you haven’t been given admin privileges. This is why you have to “root” an Android device before flashing it.

I just found it amusing how old-time terms stick with us even though they’re not applicable anymore.


183 posted on 06/10/2011 5:57:29 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: F1reEng1neRed
you don’t care even if I offer to do it for you for free is being OK with a gimped phone.

"Are you sure this won't violate my warranty or get me in trouble with Verizon?" You do know the carriers are monitoring traffic to detect unauthorized tethering, right? I don't agree with it, but that's the state of things.

184 posted on 06/10/2011 6:08:11 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

Not sure how they can tell. I and several others I know have been doing it for quite awhile and on several different kinds of handsets with no problems to speak of.


185 posted on 06/10/2011 11:52:02 AM PDT by F1reEng1neRed
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To: F1reEng1neRed
Not sure how they can tell.

First, high bandwidth use. Tetherers tend to use more bandwidth. That's the heads-up. Second, deep packet inspection. For example, if an HTTP request from an Android phone has a user agent string of "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; MSIE 9.0; WIndows NT 9.0; en-US)", you're probably tethering.

I and several others I know have been doing it for quite awhile and on several different kinds of handsets with no problems to speak of.

This is a recent thing. Be careful, confirm your carrier's policy. I tend to agree with the principle: You're paying for your bandwidth, so how you use it is none of their business. That's net neutrality. But the reality is that they want to get more money from you without providing any additional service, and they'll use their position of power to do it.

186 posted on 06/10/2011 12:18:37 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

From what I’ve read about the subject over at XDA, if your rooted and just using an app that will allow tethering, the carrier can tell. If your running a custom ROM, that’s somehow preventing them from knowing.

Don’t ask me how that is since it’s way beyond my knowledge of it. So far, it appears they are correct.


187 posted on 06/10/2011 12:31:15 PM PDT by F1reEng1neRed
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To: F1reEng1neRed
If your running a custom ROM, that’s somehow preventing them from knowing.

A custom ROM cannot bypass DPI. DPI analyzes everything you do over the Internet, and all it takes is to catch you doing one thing that cannot be done on an Android phone, run one piece of software that doesn't exist for Android and uses the network. DPI can run every byte of your traffic through a bank of signatures, and if bit of traffic matches up to a known non-Android signature, such as the IE9 user agent string I showed, you get flagged for possible action.

On a wider level, network devices can track general traffic patterns, and flag any that look more PC-like than phone-like. This same exact technology is used in intrusion-detection devices on networks (see if you're being probed or hacked), but it just gets repurposed.

There are ways you can hide some indications. The TTL (time to live) for data packets can be different between a phone and its tethered computer, and thus detectable. But a custom ROM can change the TTL back, masking the tethering. This might be what they're talking about with a tethering app. Still doesn't get you past DPI though.

188 posted on 06/10/2011 1:13:51 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: ctdonath2; Swordmaker

Downloading now!

189 posted on 07/20/2011 1:44:37 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1234; Abundy; Action-America; acoulterfan; AFreeBird; Airwinger; Aliska; altair; ...
Apple OSX LION Available through the Mac App store! —PING!


Apple LION!

Please, No Flame Wars, Discuss technical issues, software, and hardware.
Don't attack people!

Don't respond to the Anti-Apple Thread Trolls!
PLEASE IGNORE THEM!!!

If you want on or off the Mac Ping List, Freepmail me.

190 posted on 07/20/2011 2:48:17 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone. See swordmaker....macbots really do post ga)
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To: rdb3

Howdy.

Been waiting for this.....

Made a cloud of my own for Allen West podcasts years ago. It was so easy. Itunes then “realizes” it is there and seizes it and distributes it to subsribers.

Genius stuff.


191 posted on 07/20/2011 3:04:34 PM PDT by HonestConservative (http://www.freedomradiorocks.com)
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To: ctdonath2

So, I could go throughh the tedious process of ripping all my old vinyl (much of which I never got around to duplicating on CD), and music match would upgrade it to high bit rate CD quality?


192 posted on 07/20/2011 3:31:07 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: AFreeBird

Seems so!


193 posted on 07/21/2011 3:44:13 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: TheBattman; Swordmaker
The potentially wasted "energy" involved would be in sorting the posted comments in reverse order -- for your convenience -- as Swordmaker did.

Nice to see folks being appreciative! (And if you don't see the "</SARC>" in that, you need not fear sunburn on your scalp.)

194 posted on 07/21/2011 9:31:47 AM PDT by TXnMA (There is no Constitutional right to NOT be offended.)
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To: F1reEng1neRed; Swordmaker
When you grow up, you'll sing a different song...

Most of us adults have better things to do with our time than to muck with something we've bought -- trying to make it do what we paid for.

195 posted on 07/21/2011 9:41:23 AM PDT by TXnMA (There is no Constitutional right to NOT be offended.)
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To: TXnMA
Well you seem to have the time to post on this forum...

Since you seem to be incredibly ignorant to what the purpose behind jail-breaking and rooting is, I'll let you in on a little secret....

It increases the functionality, not make it “do what we paid for”.

Just because you don't know how to do it, doesn't mean you have to knock the people that do.

196 posted on 07/21/2011 4:59:13 PM PDT by F1reEng1neRed
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To: F1reEng1neRed; Swordmaker; All
"Just because you don't know how to do it, doesn't mean you have to knock the people that do."

Just because you know how to do it, doesn't mean you have to knock the people who no longer care to do so.

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Read once again what Swordmaker wrote in #157:

"What you wrote reminds me of the heady days of playing with my Commodore and Amiga computers and how much fun it was to trick them out with new add-ons to the OS and how exciting each incremental upgrade and tweak to hardware and OS speed made things different... and how it was necessary to be a member of the local Amiga Users' Group to even make some of the hardware and software work together. It was no different for the Atari users, the DOS users, and later the Windows users... there were user groups to support them. And some of us made lots of money supporting all of the users who did not have the time to join the groups and learn how to do it themselves."

"It was a fun time... but that was when computing was a hobby... and I have long grown out of that and have a lot better things to do with my time than tweak a device to get it to work right or spend hours trying to figure out what I need to get it to do what I want or look the way I want."

Just change that to "Apple ][+", "][e" or "//GS", and you describe when I was writing code in Pascal, BASIC, 6502 Assembler, or even in Binary (by flipping sixteen "bit switches" on the front panel of a "minicomputer" -- in 1978 or so.... And it was a heck of a lot of fun -- and a great sense of "power over the machine"!

No doubt, Swordmaker will remember when it was the user groups that held contests as to who could write the flashiest program in a single 80-character line of BASIC code. Some of us pushed the envelope by using BASIC "PEEKs" "POKEs" and "CALLs" to subroutines we had written in assembly code. And the users were the ones who developed the code that wound up in private-sale ROMs that turned 40 (uppercase) character/line machines into 80 (upper and lower-case) character lines and displayed them on screen. And those ROM codes wound up in the next generation of commercial microcomputer models.

Heck -- I even wrote my own "PowerPoint" years before it appeared commercially -- because I wanted to use complex computed transitions between screen buffers to add animations to my professional (CG Videotaped) presentations (created on an Apple //GS).

~~~~~~~~~

Congratulations! You have (three decades after the fact) [re]discovered the "joy of hacking" (in its original good sense)... Just don't act supercilious toward those of us who now prefer to treat computing devices as tools -- not toys.

And -- unless you wrote the code, don't think you are hot $#]+ because you can load code someone else has written onto your latest toy -- and make it do something new (to you).

~~~~~~~~~

FULL DISCLOSURE: I truly enjoy "hacking around" and making "the machine" do just what I want it to do.

But, when I retired from MA, and moved back to God's Country, I retired three things:

  1. My snow shovel

  2. My DayTimer/PDA

  3. My cell phone

And I haven't missed them one bit! But I do love the freedom from those "balls and chains"!!


Just don't come here on FR and strut around as if you are a "hot ticket" -- merely because you have learned to "muck with your machine".

Just keep in mind that you are standing on the shoulders of a hell of a lot of us who made it possible for you to do so.

</RANT>

197 posted on 07/21/2011 7:00:05 PM PDT by TXnMA (There is no Constitutional right to NOT be offended.)
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To: TXnMA

Then don’t do it then and see if anyone cares.

One thing you CAN’T deny though is that it gives added functionality to the device. Period.DOT


198 posted on 07/22/2011 11:13:18 AM PDT by F1reEng1neRed
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To: F1reEng1neRed
Whatever -- NØØB...
199 posted on 07/22/2011 1:59:10 PM PDT by TXnMA (There is no Constitutional right to NOT be offended.)
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