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A new twist on the birther issue?
email | 5/26/2011 | Unknown

Posted on 05/27/2011 5:16:39 AM PDT by bcsco

Subject: IT'S NEWLY ISSUED BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS A PROVEN FRAUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As you all know, Donald Trump made a big deal about Obama's birth certificate. As of yesterday, the White House released the birth certificate.

I will tell you right now that I had never given this "birther" issue any credit. I watched the hype and the crazies come out. I completely dismissed the entire ordeal altogether. In fact, it was not until the White House released the birth certificate that it had gained my attention.

I am the studious sort of guy, and I have plenty of time on my hands. So, I took a close look at this document. While I would have thought that this issue would have been closed for good (and, got the crazies to crawl back into their holes), I found two extremely strange inconsistencies that merit some attention.

First of all, the birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama's birth as August 4, 1961. It also lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father. No big deal, right? At the time of Obama's birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama's father was born in "Kenya, East Africa". This wouldn't seem like anything of concern, except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama's birth, and 27 years after his father's birth. How could have Obama's father have been born in a country that did not yet exist? Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the "British East Africa Protectorate". But, this is not the only thing that I found that just does not jive.

The other item that I looked into was the hospital that Obama was born in. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital". This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called "KauiKeolani Children's Hospital" and "Kapi'olani Maternity Home", respectively. The name did not change to Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged. How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978?

Go ahead, look it up. I am not talking crazy talk, these are the facts. Like I said, I thought that this was a non-issue until the actual certificate was released. Now that it has been released, of course I had to look into it. I have found these issues, now I know that something is up. If you doubt me, just look at the following resources:

Sure as hell, the hospital part is true, as you can read about the 1978 merger here.

Who the hell did he payoff now with our TAX Dollars to print this Bogus Certificate??......

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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FROM WIKIPEDIA FREE ENCYCLOPEDIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Post-colonial history The first direct elections for Africans to the Legislative Council took place in 1957. Despite British hopes of handing power to "moderate" African rivals, it was the Kenya African National Union(KANU) of Jomo Kenyatta that formed a government shortly before Kenya became independent on 12 December 1963, on the same day forming the first Constitution of Kenya. [ 36 ]During the same year, the Kenyan army fought the Shifta Waragainst ethnic Somaliswho wanted Kenya's NFDjoined with the Republic of Somalia. The Shiftas were defeated in 1967. [ citation needed] To discourage further invasions, Kenya signed a defence pact with Ethiopiain 1969, which is still in effect. [ 37 ]

On 12 December 1964 the Republic of Kenya was proclaimed, and Jomo Kenyattabecame Kenya's first president. [ 38 ]At Kenyatta's death in 1978, Daniel arap Moibecame President. Daniel arap Moi retained the Presidency, being unopposed in elections held in 1979, 1983 ( snap elections) and 1988, all of which were held under the single party constitution. The 1983 elections were held a year early, and were a direct result of an abortive military coup attempton 1 August 1982.


TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birther; certifigate; naturalborncitizen; obama
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To: MrB

You nailed it as far as I am concerned, let us not even say give a good speech let us say can read fairly well except he whistles thru his teeth ha ha ha
what a joke


21 posted on 05/27/2011 6:42:27 AM PDT by mel (o fFR monthly...Do You?????)
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To: All

Hey, everyone, thanks a lot for your input. That’s exactly what I was looking for. I’m going to take this as erroneous information, if not disinformation, though I’m tending toward the latter.

As I stated, I haven’t followed the birther issue all that closely so these two seemingly new issues were definitely new to me. As Always FReepers have been there before. That’s what I figured and you guys didn’t let me down.


22 posted on 05/27/2011 7:22:49 AM PDT by bcsco (..)
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To: bcsco
Obviously it was called “Kenya” in 1953.

Life Magazine archives

“Kenya lies under the sword - May 4, 1953 - Page 143”

side note: just discovered this site. Take a look. Just the advertisements are worth the time, not to mention the photos and the history.

http://books.google.com/books?id=N0EEAAAAMBAJ#all_issues_anchor

23 posted on 05/27/2011 7:35:50 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: MrB

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well stated!


24 posted on 05/27/2011 7:35:55 AM PDT by DooDahhhh (ma)
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To: DooDahhhh
"A crying shame to have elected this bafoon."

So nice to see someone, while denigrating the doofus in charge, not use the similar word "baboon".

25 posted on 05/27/2011 8:12:59 AM PDT by wizzardude
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To: DrC

I don’t consider wikipedia to be a reliable data source for this information.


26 posted on 05/27/2011 8:18:11 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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To: bcsco
I thought these allegations about the hospital names and date of Kenya's formation as a country may be new to the discussion and of interest.

Both were brought up the day Obama released his birth certificate and were quickly debunked. Most birthers don't make those arguments anymore.

27 posted on 05/27/2011 8:25:21 AM PDT by Kleon
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To: bcsco; bluecat6

if you are genuinely curious, look for posts by Butterdezillion, Hotlanta Mike, ml/nj, and Satindoll.

Butterdezillion has done incredibly research, and gotten things directly from Hawaii DOH.
(like a Birth Index with Virginia Sunahara on it, and a letter, saying they have no record of her...).
Satindoll has information going back to 2008. She wasn’t a birther. She always did candidate research. but noticed even then, that records were being scrubbed.

Red Steel, Bluecat6, and Robinmasters, are also great sources of serious, well researched information.

ml/nj found a simple clear example, that anyone can do, even a non-techie:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2720608/posts?page=23#23
here’s another simple clear photo of evidence of fraud:
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=186343
Bluecat6 pointed out, that the very purpose of security paper, is to reveal fraud. and it does. (sorry, no link.)
and a few other quick ones:
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/05/irrefutable-proof-obamas-new-birth.html
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/05/comparative-analysis-by-pro-graphics.html
http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/05/13/research-summary-on-hawaii-birth-certificate-number-151-1961-010641/

...and of course, there is the Connecticut SSN, which needs no analysis, since it is clearly fradulent by definition, since he never lived in CT, it would be impossible to get.


28 posted on 05/27/2011 8:29:30 AM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: All

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29 posted on 05/27/2011 8:31:28 AM PDT by Maverick68
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To: wizzardude

” “A crying shame to have elected this bafoon.”
So nice to see someone, while denigrating the doofus in charge, not use the similar word “baboon”. “
/// you reminded me of a poem... written -BY- the “doofus” in question...
UNDERGROUND

Under water grottos, caverns
Filled with apes
That eat figs.
Stepping on the figs
That the apes
Eat, they crunch.
The apes howl, bare
Their fangs, dance,
Tumble in the
Rushing water,
Musty, wet pelts
Glistening in the blue.


30 posted on 05/27/2011 8:43:44 AM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: DooDahhhh

Several forensic experts have already debunked the new but not improved birth certificate which Obama released last month.

Dr. Jerome Corsi who wrote the newly released book “Where’s The Birth Certificate?” announced on the Alex Jones show the other day that he has figured out who the forger is and will name names shortly.


31 posted on 05/27/2011 9:00:57 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Interesting choice of venue to air his latest crackpot theory.


32 posted on 05/27/2011 9:03:14 AM PDT by Kleon
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To: bcsco

Great Theory, except for one thing. On the Nordyke birth certificates it says “Kapi’olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital”.

How can you argue that isn’t supposed to be there when it is in fact “there” on an original birth certificate from 1961?

As for your comments about “Kenya” not being a country in 1961, it may not have been a country to the rest of us, but to the people who lived there it was quite likely referred to as “Kenya”, named after Mt. Kenya I believe.

Barack Sr. Saying he was from “Kenya” was probably similar to someone else saying he was from “Texas” before it became a Republic.


33 posted on 05/27/2011 9:03:21 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Hawaiian officials are STILL hiding the truth.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

These weren’t my comments. They came from an email I received yesterday.


34 posted on 05/27/2011 9:05:38 AM PDT by bcsco (..)
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To: Kleon

Just one of many radio shows that Corsi has appeared on promoting his book and speaking about the fake birth certificate.


35 posted on 05/27/2011 9:10:16 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: bcsco

Sorry.


36 posted on 05/27/2011 9:13:45 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Hawaiian officials are STILL hiding the truth.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

No problem, I just didn’t want you to misunderstand the source.


37 posted on 05/27/2011 9:16:26 AM PDT by bcsco (..)
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To: bcsco

Kenya was a common name back then.

Kenya, East Africa was not, it was British East Africa.

Using an online dictionary you can do show the difference. ‘Kenya, East Africa’ or ‘Kenya East Africa’ will not show up. ‘British East Africa’ does.

There are lots of references to Kenya in 1961, including the immigration files for BHO Senior.

As to BHO’s age. His well documented age is based on the 1936 birthday....a date he started using on forms in 1962. But up until then his birth date was 6/18/1934. It is on numerous immigration forms and he used that date on the I-539 form he filled out in his own hand on August 31, 1961 - supposedly 27 days AFTER the birth of his supposed son. But in that form he does not acknowledge his son at all.

Why the change. Maybe mama (or grandma) was not familiar with his exact DOB and misstated on the original forms. There is nothing indicating he was anywhere near the birth when it happened and he may not have been aware at all as the evidence (yes evidence) of the I-539 form filled out August 31, 1961 shows. No claim of a son - at all!.

So mama (or grandma) messed up. But later when he wanted to leverage the situation to stay in the US a few more years he changed his DOBs on the I-539 forms to match.....

He just wanted to stay in the US a few more years...a little lying on the I-539 was no big deal....


38 posted on 05/27/2011 9:28:52 AM PDT by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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To: muawiyah
The document clearly shows it was prepared with a minimum of two typewriters and several different rubber stamps.

Source or proof, please?

39 posted on 05/27/2011 9:55:56 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Elendur; bcsco; bluecat6; butterdezillion
if you are genuinely curious, look for posts by Butterdezillion, Hotlanta Mike, ml/nj, and Satindoll.

If you are genuinely curious, you have to include my posts as well.

Elendur conveniently fails to mention that I've clearly demonstrated why most (if not all) of the points he just posted are simply not true.

I've been called all kinds of names (troll, Obot, etc.), but not one person has successfully invalidated any of the major arguments or analyses I've made. Swordmaker is about the only person who's even made a serious effort.

He tried to mount a defense of the "it's a fake because the letters don't curve at the left theory," and made a couple of good points, but had nothing further to say to my response, since my analysis was correct.

I've also been corrected on a couple of minor points - Stig Waidelich's birth and file dates being among them - and have readily admitted to and corrected any such errors.

I will be the first to add that butterdezillion's postings and research are well worth looking at. She has had direct interaction with Hawaii, whereas I have not, and has relevant commentary on how those interactions have gone. She and I so far have some differences in our conclusions, but I respect both her and her research.

40 posted on 05/27/2011 10:11:41 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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