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Mountain lion killed on resident's porch
Independent Record | ^ | May 25, 2011 | EVE BYRON

Posted on 05/25/2011 4:56:20 PM PDT by Daffynition

UPDATE 9:20 a.m. - Charlene Wilkinson just wanted to read the news, not be the news when she picked up the Independent Record off her porch Wednesday morning.

Then she got a call from the Helena Police dispatcher shortly after 7 a.m., telling her to stay inside and move away from the windows because a mountain lion was curled up on her front porch, precisely where she had picked up her newspaper just moments earlier.

"They told me not to even look out the window because I could startle it and it could go through the window," Wilkinson said, recalling a Townsend mountain lion that did just that. "So I got away from the window and called my son."

Moments later, Dave Loewen, a game warden with Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks, shot the year-old mountain lion from the safety of his truck.

Loewen said they initially wanted to dart the lion and capture it, but it was too dangerous to do that in the residential neighborhood.

"I couldn't get a clean shot, and if I darted it and it didn't take effect, it would run off. I didn't want to make a second problem," Loewen said.

The lion was on the porch in the quiet subdivision just west of the St. Peter's Group medical building, near the corner of Road Runner and Sand Piper Loop.

Check tomorrow's Independent Record for more on this story.

Lewis & Clark County Sheriff's Department and Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks officials have located a mountain lion on the 100 block of Sandpiper Loop. Authorities have cornered the lion on a porch of a house and are asking people to stay out of the area and residents to stay in their homes until the lion is darted.


TOPICS: Outdoors; Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: cougar; mountainlion
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To: I Buried My Guns

In this particular case, there was no reason to shoot that animal. He was not threatening but was sleeping. I would argue that the idiot park ranger put the residents in danger by firing, what had to be a high powered rifle, toward an occupied house.

An argument could also be made about your personal encounter that you should not have been there in the first place. No I’m not making that argument, just making a point. He could of easily killed you as you stated...but he didn’t. You were not threatening.

We are the stewards of all creation. That does not mean killing just because the animal crossed over into a human area. We have the means to put an animal down, almost immediately, without killing it and those methods should be used unless there is an immediate threat.


41 posted on 05/26/2011 8:54:56 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman ("...; because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee,... "Hosea 4:6)
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To: Daffynition

Magnificent! thank you for posting that


42 posted on 05/26/2011 8:57:43 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman ("...; because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee,... "Hosea 4:6)
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To: Outlaw Woman
We are the stewards of all creation. That does not mean killing just because the animal crossed over into a human area. We have the means to put an animal down, almost immediately, without killing it and those methods should be used unless there is an immediate threat.

That's it exaclty. All creatures belong to God and humans are stewards. Just like parents are stewards of their children. And mountain lions are following their God given nature. So many humans are worse than animals. That's why I prefer to live in an area with lots of wild animals and very few wild people.

43 posted on 05/26/2011 9:11:11 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Daffynition

Awful why did they have to kill the animal. What happen to just knocking him out and then taking him to his home. Good god.


44 posted on 05/26/2011 9:14:03 AM PDT by angcat (DEAR GOD PLEASE SAVE US!)
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To: angcat

I saw a Mountain Lion on my way to up to Mt St Helens a few years ago. That sucker was huge—and I was easily 100 yards away from it, down the road.

What was going to be a nice camping trip, alone on a volcano, turned into a nice night in a motel a few miles away.

Big cats like that are not just going to saunter away. At least not until they’ve eaten every dog and cat in your neighborhood. And, what comes on the food chain after that? Illegal immigrants, homeless people, and the nannies walking their strollers down the street.

Nope, shooting him was the right decision. Respect nature and all that, but most people are so domesticated they forget we were once prey.


45 posted on 05/26/2011 9:21:32 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Is there anyone that Obama won't toss under the bus?)
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To: Vermont Lt

I live in a remote rural valley surrounded by large mountains, most either State or National forest. There are countless bears, mountain lions, bobcats etc. I’ve seen lion footprints and scat on my property all the time and heard them scream a few times. An unearthly sound. Bear scat? A dime a dozen.

Very very rarely are any pets or livestock bothered.

Lions would rather eat deer or other natural prey. If people aren’t stupid, lions are not a problem. Most people with livestock have several large dogs and lions do not like barking large dogs.

You can’t compare illegal aliens to wild animals. Sheesh.


46 posted on 05/26/2011 9:48:00 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

Right!


47 posted on 05/26/2011 10:09:31 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman ("...; because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee,... "Hosea 4:6)
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To: Vermont Lt

Yes I suppose your right but that just breaks my heart.


48 posted on 05/26/2011 10:45:59 AM PDT by angcat (DEAR GOD PLEASE SAVE US!)
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To: little jeremiah

i was kidding. Come on. It was a little funny.

Anyway, if you are living in THEIR area, I appreciate your position.

However, if this thing is laying on someone’s doorstep it just a matter of time before they start getting the easy prey. And eventually, that would be stupid people.

THAT was the point I was trying to make.

My mom lives in rural VT. Deer, bears, etc are pretty common. Even the occasional Moose. They are part of the scenery. But, if they started making their homes in town, a bear would just get into trouble. They usually just dart them and take them home.


49 posted on 05/26/2011 10:57:18 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Is there anyone that Obama won't toss under the bus?)
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To: Vermont Lt

I am not opposed to killing lions who start going after livestock or humans of course. Sometimes in this valley they have gone after horses, goats or cattle. In which case people try to find them and kill them.

When living in a rural area inhabited by large predators, people need to protect their pets, livestock and children with fences, dogs etc.


50 posted on 05/26/2011 11:18:42 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Vermont Lt

Sorry sometimes I don’t get funny without some hint! ;-)

I would need new underwear if I saw a lion like you did. For sure.


51 posted on 05/26/2011 11:23:49 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Daffynition

Her son made no sense.

Afraid he could not get off clean shot with dart but thought he could with rifle?

Afraid if dart did not take affect lion could run off, but not afraid he would miss with rifle, or that firing in the direction of his mother’s house might be a problem?

Some people just like to kill things.


52 posted on 05/26/2011 11:27:38 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Tough enough to have survived the end of the world)
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To: Dengar01
Because they can and will kill people. Absolutely, if I spotted one of these my lawn I would shoot the damn thing to Mars.

So can a dog. So can your neighbor. etc

53 posted on 05/26/2011 11:29:30 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Tough enough to have survived the end of the world)
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To: ConservativeWarrior
our ancestors were smarter than todays people, they knew a danger when they saw it and eleminated it No doubt. This is what comes of the animals-are-people-too mentality. These people are just nuts. I wonder if they'd stand behind their pots-and-pans tactics if the cat had returned and killed a human at a later date. Sadly, they probably would.

Yes, just like gun control. People with guns can kill other people. As good citizens, like our ancestors, we see the danger and guns need to be eliminated.

54 posted on 05/26/2011 11:34:53 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Tough enough to have survived the end of the world)
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55 posted on 05/26/2011 11:38:57 AM PDT by Maverick68
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To: School of Rational Thought
As good citizens, like our ancestors, we see the danger and guns need to be eliminated.

Nope. Our ancestors didn't have gun control. They didn't limit arms in any fashion, and were always in the market for bigger clubs and sharper sticks to protect themselves and keep the soul-less wild beast in its place.

Nice try, though.
56 posted on 05/27/2011 8:13:04 AM PDT by ConservativeWarrior (In last year's nests, there are no birds this year.)
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To: ConservativeWarrior
As good citizens, like our ancestors, we see the danger and guns need to be eliminated. Nope. Our ancestors didn't have gun control. They didn't limit arms in any fashion, and were always in the market for bigger clubs and sharper sticks to protect themselves and keep the soul-less wild beast in its place. Nice try, though.

Trying that old liberal, if I say it is so it is so approach. Look, you were caught with some poor logic, own up. Your logic toward the cat, and the gun control people is the same.

57 posted on 05/27/2011 11:02:37 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Tough enough to have survived the end of the world)
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To: Outlaw Woman

What would you propose to do with a cougar that has so little fear of humans it sleeps on someone’s porch?

Obviously, you don’t live in cougar country.

Cougars/mountain lions can’t be reasoned with.


58 posted on 05/27/2011 11:26:40 AM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: B Knotts

I already posted what I believed should have been done.


59 posted on 05/27/2011 12:11:57 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman ("...; because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee,... "Hosea 4:6)
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To: Outlaw Woman

We on the West Coast are becoming overrun by these violent, aggressive predators, because urbanites have banned hunting cougars with dogs (the only practical way to hunt them), on the basis of emotionalism.


60 posted on 05/27/2011 1:10:21 PM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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