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A Dissertation on... Acquiring... Citizenship...
1789 | David Ramsay

Posted on 05/13/2011 4:23:29 AM PDT by djf

Recently, I started a thread about Emer Vattel's definition of "natural born citizen". It was fairly lengthy, and covered alot of sub-topics. Overall, everyone conducted themselves with extreme good manner, and while the issue seemed to remain unresolved, I was proud of the participation.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2712725/posts

What seems to be missing from the whole discussion is any kind of contemporaneous references to what the founders meant when they said "natural born citizen". While it was never covered explicitly in the Constitutional Convention, or Madison's notes thereof, it was in fact written about by one of the early patriots.

So who was David Ramsay?

B. 1749, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, D. 1815

Physician and historian, a delegate to the South Carolina legislature, captured by the British and spending a year in jail, he later served on the Continental Congress.

He was related through his marriages to at least two of the signers of the Declaration of Independence, and two of the signers to the Constitution, and no doubt was personally familiar with many more of the founders.

Pre-eminently he was a historian, composing a two volume "The History of the American Revolution", a few other historical texts, and various tracts and abstracts.

This tract is called " A Dissertation on the Manner of Acquiring the Character and Privileges of a Citizen of the United States"

I searched up and down on the web to find either a text version or a PDF version with the textual layer, but nope - zippo - nada.

So I spent a whole lot of time transcribing the tract into HTML. I have tried to be as entirely accurate as possible, all punctuation, capitalization, spelling and italics are as they were in the original.

The pertinent section I have taken the liberty of underlining.

It is not overly long, but he sometimes sounds a bit longwinded, perhaps to his excessive use of commas.

So come to your own conclusions. It is important to note that Ramsay was not a political theorist so much, but was a historian, so he's not speaking so much about how he would like things to be, he is trying to describe things accurately.

Hopefully I can fit it into one post - the post following this one.


TOPICS: History; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: aliens; naturalborn; naturalborncitizen; nbc; vattel

1 posted on 05/13/2011 4:23:32 AM PDT by djf
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To: djf
A
DISSERTATION
On THE
MANNER OF ACQUIRING
THE
CHARACTER AND PRIVILEGES
OF A
CITIZEN
OF THE
UNITED STATES



A
DISSERTATION, &c.

David Ramsay
1789



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   The United States are a new nation, or political society, formed at first by the declaration of independence, out of those British subjects in America, who were thrown out of royal protection by act of parliament, passed on December, 1775.
 &nbspA citizen of the United States, means a member of this new nation.The principle of government being radically changed by the revolution, the political character of the people was also changed from subjects to citizens.
 &nbspThe difference is immense. Subject is derived from the latin words, sub and jacio, and means one who is under the power of another; but a citizen is a unit of a mass of free people, who, collectively, possess sovereignty.
 &nbspSubjects look up to a master, but citizens are so far equal, that none have hereditary rights superior to others. Each citizen of a free state contains, within himself, by nature and the constitution, as much of the common sovereignty as another. In the eye of reason and philosophy, the political condition of citizens is more exalted than that of noblemen. Dukes and earls are the creatures of kings, and may be made by them at their pleasure; but citizens possess in their own right original sovereignty.
 &nbspThere is also a great difference between citizens, and inhabitants or residents.
 &nbspAny person living within a country or state, is an inhabitant of it, or resident in it.
 &nbspNegroes are inhabitants, but not citizens. Citizenship confers a right of voting at elections, and many other privileges not enjoyed by those by those who are no more than inhabitants.


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 &nbspThe precise difference may be thus stated: The citizen of a free state is so united to it as to possess an individual's proportion of the common sovereignty; but he who is no more than an inhabitant, or resident, has no farther connection with the state in which he resides, than such as gives him security for his person and property, agreeably to fixed laws, without any participation in its government.
 &nbspRepublics, both ancient and modern, have been jealous of the right of citizenship. The new constitution carries this matter so far, as to require not only present citizenship in federal representatives and senators, but antecedent citizenship for the term of seven and nine years. The time and manner of acquiring the high character of a citizen of the United States, is therefore well worthy of public discussion.
 &nbspThe following appears to be the only modes of acquiring this distinguishing privilege.

1st. By being parties to the original compact, the declaration of independence.
2d. By taking an oath of fidelity to some one of the United States, agreeably to law.
3d. By tacit consent and acquiescence.
4th. By birth or inheritance.
5th. By adoption. Of each of these in their order.


 &nbsp1st. By the declaration of independence congress proclaimed to the world, that their constituents. "the people of the united colonies, were absolved from all allegience to the crown of England," and that the late colonies were "free and independent States." For the support of this bold measure, they confederated together, by pledging to each other "their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor." By this eventful declaration, "a nation was born in a day." Nearly three millions of people who had been subjects, became citizens. Their former political connection with George the third was done away, and a new one was formed, not with another king, but among themselves, by which they became coequal citizens, and, collectively, assumed all the rights of sovereignty.


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As this was done by the representatives of the people of this country, and in their name, and on their behalf, all who had concurred in investing congress with power, acquired citizenship, by being parties to this solemn act. These original citizens were the founders of the United States. Citizenship could not be acruired in this way by absentees from America, for two reasons; 1st. Such were not thrown out of British protection by the restraining act of parliament, and therefore continued British subjects, under the obligations, and in quiet possession of their British allegience; And, secondly, Such could not be parties to the constitution of congress. The members of that body were not their deputies, or agents, and therefore could not bind them, or act for them.

 &nbsp2d. To cement the people of America more firmly together, oaths of fidelity to the states were respectively administered soon after the declaration of independence, to all above a certain age. By these oaths, a compact was established between the state and the individuals; and those who took them acquired or confirmed their citizenship by their own personal act. By swearing to do the duty of citizens, they, by law, acquired a right to the privileges and protection of citizens. Those who refused, were ordered to depart, as being persons unfriendly to the revolution.

 &nbsp3d. As the war drew near a close, the administration of oaths being less necessary, was less frequent. Citizenship was then, and now is, daily acquired by tacit consent or acquiescence. Minors who were not old enough to be parties to the declaration of independence, or to take the oaths of fidelity to the states at the time they were imposed, became citizens in consequence of their continuing to reside in the United States after they had arrived to mature age, especially if at the same time they claimed the protection, and performed the duties of citizens.
   At twenty-one years of age, every freeman is at liberty to chuse his country, his religion, and his allegience. Those who continue after that age in the allegience under which they have been educated, become, by tacit consent, either subjects or citizens, as the case mey be. In this manner, young men are now daily acquiring citizenship, without the intervention of an oath.



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 &nbspIt is to be observed, that in order that such persons acquire citizenship in this way, their residence subsequent to the revolution is indispensibly necessary, previous to the commencement of their citizenship: for no man can be said so far to acquiesce in, or consent to a government, before he has lived under it, as to become a citizen therof by tacit consent.
 &nbspCitizenship, when acquired this way by an absentee at the time of the declaration of independence, can therefore only be dated from the time in which the claimant of that high privilege became a resident under the independent government of the state of which he claims to be a citizen.

 &nbsp4th. None can claim citizenship as a birth-right, but such as have been born since the declaration of independence, for this obvious reason: no man can be born a citizen of a state or government, which did not exist at the time of his birth. Citizenship is the inheritance of the children of those who have taken a part in the late revolution; but this is confined exclusively to the children of those who were themselves citizens. Those who died before the revolution could leave no political character to their children, but that of subjects, which they themselves possessed. If they had lived, no one can be certain whether they would have adhered to the king or to congress. Their children, therefore, may claim by inheritance the rights of British subjects, but not of American citizens.

 &nbsp5th. Persons born in any country may have acquired citizenship by adoption, or naturalization, agreeably to law.
 &nbspThe citizenship of such must be dated from the time of their adoption.
 &nbspCitizenship is an adventitious character to every adult in the United States; and there was a certain period in the lives of such persons, when they ceased to be subjects, and began to be citizens.
 &nbspThe citizenship of no man could be previous to the declaration of independence, and, as a natural right, belongs to none but those who have been born of citizens since the 4th of July, 1776.



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 &nbspThis accounts for the use of the word resident in that paragraph of the new constitution, which describes the qualifications of the president of the United States. The senators must be citizens nine years, and the representatives seven years; but it is not said, that the president that the president must be a citizen for fourteen years. The thing was impossible, for independence was then not quite twelve years declared; therefore the word resident was introduced in order to comprehend time before the declaration of independence.
 &nbspBy the same paragraph, the distinction between a citizen and a resident is constitutionally recognized; for tho' it is necessary, that the president must have been "fourteen years a resident," it is sufficient for him to have become a citizen "at the time of the adoption of the constitution." By this it is acknowledged, that one may be much longer a resident within the United States, than a citizen of the same. The precision of this paragraph, in respect to language, is worthy of observation. It is not said, that the president must have been a resident in, or an inhabitant of the United States, for fourteen years. The word used is within, which as explained by Doctor Johnson, means, "in the compass of," ----- "the inclosure of." The sentence, therefore, when analyzed, means nothing more than that the president must have been a resident within the limits of the United States for fourteen years.
 &nbspThough the states have not existed as states for fourteen years; yet, their geographical boundaries, or limits, have existed from the first settlement of America. But to proceed with inferences. From the premises already established, it may be further inferred, that citizenship, by inheritance, belongs to none but the children of those Americans, who, having survived the declaration of independence, acquired that adventitious character in their own right, and transmitted it to their offspring. The children of those who died before the revolution, who are now citizens, must have acquired that privilege in their own right, and by their own personal act; that is, by joining their country at or since the revolution.



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 &nbspCitizenship, acquired by tacit consent, is exclusively confined to the cases of persons who have resided within the United States since the declaration of independence, and could not have commenced prior to their actual residence under their new and independent governments.
   From the whole it is plain, that no private individual, tho' a native, who was absent from this country at the time independence was declared, could have acquired citizenship with the United States, prior to his returning and actually joining his countrymen subsequent to the revolution.
 &nbspDangerous consequences would follow from admitting that birth and residence, before the declaration of independence in the country now called the United States, were sufficient to confer the rights of citizenship on persons who were absent during the late war, before they returned to their native country.
 &nbspIf this should be established, many persons, hostile to our liberties and independence, might put in their claim to be citizens. All the children born in the interval between the peace of Paris, 1763, and the declaration of independence in 1776, within the British posts on our north-western frontier, now wrongfully held from us, would be citizens. Our East-India trade would be laid open to many adventurers, who have contributed nothing towards the establishment of our liberties: for the natives of this country, born before the revolution, who are now dispersed over the world, might, on that principle, fit out ships, make voyages to India, come here and sell their goods, under the character of citizens, from the circumstance of their having been born among us thirty or forty years ago, and return with the net proceeds of their cargoes, to their present residence in foreign countries. These, and many other consequences, injurious to the liberties and commerce of these states, would result from admitting the dangerous position, that birth and residence in this country, before the revolution, conferred citizenship on absentees, antecedent to their return after that event had taken place.


F I N I S

2 posted on 05/13/2011 4:25:01 AM PDT by djf ("Life is never fair...And perhaps it is a good thing for most of us that it is not." Oscar Wilde)
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To: All

Ignore the nbsp’s, those worked fine on my machine as line indents!!


3 posted on 05/13/2011 4:27:34 AM PDT by djf ("Life is never fair...And perhaps it is a good thing for most of us that it is not." Oscar Wilde)
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To: djf
What a magnificent find ... thank you, djf.

THIS struck me ...

"To cement the people of America more firmly together, oaths of fidelity to the states were respectively administered soon after the declaration of independence, to all above a certain age. By these oaths, a compact was established between the state and the individuals; and those who took them acquired or confirmed their citizenship by their own personal act. By swearing to do the duty of citizens, they, by law, acquired a right to the privileges and protection of citizens. Those who refused, were ordered to depart, as being persons unfriendly to the revolution."

... because (and color me weird, but it IS what I thought first .. ) it sounded like the marriage vow one takes at THAT time of their life.

It has always been amazing to me that people could/would stand before God and man and avow un-ending allegience to each other, broken only by death .. only to (some time later) break that vow for no more of a reason than "I don't like you any more" (for whatever reason) ..


Not such a weird thought?

Buckle up ...


Every divorced or estranged politician has already broken a most sacred vow that it is no problem to be anti-American.


I haven't fleshed it out yet, but THAT was the thought ... our early citizens, by a sacred vow (never renounced?) were more stalwart in their (inner) constitution than many of the watchdaogs FOR our Constitution.

I forget who said it, and the exact words, but someone said that a Republic is only fit for a moral people (or a religious people .. I forget)
The point being a man must have a religious or God based sense of morality in order to be a citizen of the Republic.


Comments greatly welcome.

Thanks again djf

4 posted on 05/13/2011 4:59:26 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: knarf

I’m interested in it for a couple reasons. First, of course, being historical. There is no doubt he was part and parcel of the whole revolution. He is also quite specific with his language and phraseology.

Secondly, the part where he talks about oaths almost make me cry when I consider what’s happening in our country today. People seem to be able to just stream across the border, demand any kind of benefits and privileges, and NEVER take any kind of oath that they support and defend the Constitution.

And supposed “Americans” who are representatives, and who HAVE sworn to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, don’t give a turd about it and many in fact try to make political hay with it!

Citizenship is not just a privilege, it is an honor. And it takes honorable men and women to make good citizens.

There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that when they wrote “natural born citizen” they meant a person born in the United States from parents who were citizens. That’s the ONLY natural right of citizenship, and the same as Vattel’s definition.


5 posted on 05/13/2011 5:14:01 AM PDT by djf ("Life is never fair...And perhaps it is a good thing for most of us that it is not." Oscar Wilde)
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To: STARWISE

ping


6 posted on 05/13/2011 5:28:57 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: djf

sfl


7 posted on 05/13/2011 5:44:36 AM PDT by phockthis
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To: djf

If I had the power of a despot I would make certain that every mere politician serving under me had read and understood and intended to reflect this tract in present time. And EVERY law school or political science class would inculcate this to the young heads full of mush. As I am not -nor have desire to be despotic I will copy and will include such weaving it into the fabric of letters sent to our mere politicians and similar useful idiots- If I might borrow a term from an enemy long opposed.


8 posted on 05/13/2011 6:46:35 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

Ping!


9 posted on 05/13/2011 8:49:56 AM PDT by HiJinx (Old Cold Warrior)
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To: djf

Mario Apuzzo has it on his website. It was a great find.

Puzo1.blogspot.com


10 posted on 05/13/2011 12:12:35 PM PDT by jdirt
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To: jdirt

Scribd has it also. But all the other versions I found were PDF, no text. I wanted to convert it (as well as I could) to HotMetal.

A few typos, not bad...

I get so discouraged reading it. Mostly because these days, people come here and not only DO NOT take any kind of oath, THEY OPENLY SAY THEY HATE AMERICA AND WANT TO CHANGE IT!!!

Then, THEY EVEN GET CODDLED BY THE RACE-BAITING SCUM WHO SEE NOTHING BUT DOLLARS AND VOTES!

My Gr-GR Grandfather was a civil war veteran. My Gr-Gr-Gr-Gr-GR grandfather was born in the colony of New York before the revolution.
A lot of people in the country these days would laugh at me for saying that...


11 posted on 05/13/2011 12:24:35 PM PDT by djf ("Life is never fair...And perhaps it is a good thing for most of us that it is not." Oscar Wilde)
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To: djf

Sometime in 2009, I don’t exactly remember when, I was informed by a third party that the Lee family of Virginia, and the Adams family of Massachusetts, both have historical documents concerning the issue of natural born citizen.

The message assured me that the families would, when the issue comes before SCOTUS (or Congress, one would surmise), they would offer the testimony of these historical documents in defense of the U.S.Constitution.


12 posted on 05/15/2011 9:18:17 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NOT FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: djf

This is GOLD. Thank you for posting it!


13 posted on 05/15/2011 9:38:54 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: thecodont

Thanks.
Except for a few typos and the formatting!!!


14 posted on 05/15/2011 9:46:34 PM PDT by djf ("Life is never fair...And perhaps it is a good thing for most of us that it is not." Oscar Wilde)
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To: djf

bump


15 posted on 08/29/2011 6:31:40 AM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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