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97 E-Cats In Operation Right Now Accross 4 Countries
Free Energy Truth ^ | 4.29.11 | Staff

Posted on 04/30/2011 8:56:32 AM PDT by Free Vulcan

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To: Windflier
If you put your working product into production and deploy it, you can laugh at the universities.

If you do it on a large enough scale, you can destroy the careers of your nay sayers - maybe even severely damage major universities in the ensuing scandal.

Assuming one has an ax to grind.

21 posted on 04/30/2011 9:48:42 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Free Vulcan

IF this is real, and that’s a HUGE “IF,” the Arabs can eat their oil!

Apparently he has had actual scientists look at it. And he’s not soliciting funds from regular Joes. Then again, he’s being awfully secretive! Kinda smells. Jury still out, though.


22 posted on 04/30/2011 9:49:25 AM PDT by piytar (Talga Vassternich)
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23 posted on 04/30/2011 9:50:29 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Free Vulcan
For the doubters: Cold Fusion (or Low Energy Nuclear Reaction) is a fact. Papers have been submitted attesting to positive results from many labs over many years, including the U.S. Navy and Los Alamos. The only problem to solve has been the steady repeatability. Even if Rossi hasn't found the key it's just a matter of time until somebody does. It is apparently a normal outcome to get a 30-1 energy output to input ratio, cheaply.

The on-line database at LENR-CANR.org lists 3,400 papers on cold fusion written by 4,688 authors and co-authors, as of April 2006. Most of these papers have been positive, and none of the authors has benefited financially or otherwise. On the contrary, many of them have seen their careers stalled or ruined because they pursue this research. So there does not appear to be any motive to commit fraud, and it would be difficult for roughly 4,000 people to commit fraud and keep this fact secret.

The Obamas of the world will have to ban it or lose control of the sheeple. This is going to be a terrific problem for them. Here is the new technology they so claim they want but really don't. Best news I have read since Obama was elected.

24 posted on 04/30/2011 9:50:44 AM PDT by badgerlandjim
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To: badgerlandjim
O)K .. there's nothing on the web site (that I saw), sooo ... what'ya do?

Dump beer cans and orange peels into the flux capacitor?

25 posted on 04/30/2011 9:53:48 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Free Vulcan

It will be banned by Obama because he’ll claim it will threaten economic stability.


26 posted on 04/30/2011 9:56:26 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Free Vulcan
This is the first I've heard of this but it bodes well.

If so, the situation will closely resemble what happened when Edison proposed an electric generator more than 90% efficient. At the same time that he was being criticized in scientific journals and told he needed basic lessons in electricity and that what he proposed would never work, being contrary to the laws of nature, he already had these generators up and running.
27 posted on 04/30/2011 9:58:44 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: cripplecreek
That makes you 180 degrees out of phase with this guy then.

He has consistently to this point not been willing to share information or control of his product with any more investors.

I asses that to mean that the fewer people he has on board, the greater hit take will be (or loss if it flops).

Publicity and hype for his product he wants. Investors on his wagon, not so much. Bigger steak for him and if it crashes less damage to his reputation.

I think he is sincere ( even if this pans out like bubble memory in the 1980s).

28 posted on 04/30/2011 10:06:30 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MrEdd

He’s a fine charlatan I’ll give him that.


29 posted on 04/30/2011 10:10:06 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: knarf
Here are some final conclusions as formulated by a Naval researcher in 1996: 1. The choice of cathode material is crucial to the outcome of the experiment. Table 10 shows that some sources of palladium nearly always produce excess, and some never work. 2. The fact that helium is correlated with the excess heat has been confirmed many ways, but perhaps most dramatically with a simple true/false statistical test. "The odds are . . . approximately one in a million that our complete set of 33 heat and helium results could be obtained from random experimental errors in our calorimetry and helium measurements. A more rigorous treatment in Appendix C gives the probability as one out of 750,000 for our set of 33 heat and helium results." 3. This research area has the potential to provide the human race with a nearly unlimited new source of energy. We hope that other scientists will continue to investigate this difficult research area until the challenging problems impeding progress are solved.

I can dig that report (PDF form) out and send you the link if you are interested. Basically, they are packing hydrogen atoms into the lattice work that makes up metals and use an electric current to induce the metal to tranmute into another element or the hygrogen to transmute into helium - cold fusion - releasing gobs of energy. The problem has always been repeatability. Rossi says he has solved the problem.

30 posted on 04/30/2011 10:10:06 AM PDT by badgerlandjim
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To: cripplecreek

This may interest you.

http://pages.csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/cf/293wikipedia.html


31 posted on 04/30/2011 10:19:53 AM PDT by badgerlandjim
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To: Wonder Warthog

Looks as if Rossi has got a working winner.


32 posted on 04/30/2011 10:25:48 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are .)
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To: badgerlandjim

GREAT article! Really illustrates the sad state of modern “science,” too...


33 posted on 04/30/2011 10:37:09 AM PDT by piytar (Talga Vassternich)
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To: dirtboy; backwoods-engineer; SC Swamp Fox; texmexis best

I can well understand why he is staying away from the universities and college professors who would slam him and his ideas without even giving his experiment a glance.

When I first heard about him, probably ten years ago he had already had a couple of cold fusion experiments that had been producing for more than 60 days.

That’s when I decided to see if I could get his address and approach him. It took about a year and I was so disappointed when he turned me down but I am thrilled that he has succeeded in making everything work the way he said it could. The is the kind of thing that will lead to accomplishing many more “cannot be done” experiments.

I am fed up with brain dead scientists whose proclamations are automatically accepted as wisdom because these men are respectable, which to me means they refuse to step outside the walls of the scientific community.

reposting an earlier response http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2706552/posts?page=62#62


34 posted on 04/30/2011 10:38:29 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are .)
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To: B4Ranch
I can well understand why he is staying away from the universities and college professors who would slam him and his ideas without even giving his experiment a glance.

Yes, I can too. The "hot fusion" researchers undoubtedly feel their life-long careers threatened. Making cold fusion workable will amount to them having spent lifetimes (some of them, anyway) doing research that is soon going to be rendered inconsequential. Why build the unbelievably difficult-to-engineer Tokamak when you can build a cold fusion table-top size reactor for home use for just a few thousand dollars. And besides the loss of huge amounts of grant money, the worst thing of all perhaps, to see an electro-chemist beat the physicists at their own game. The horror of that!

35 posted on 04/30/2011 11:02:14 AM PDT by badgerlandjim
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To: dirtboy
"Trusted? Sounds more like phantom to me. If there are 97 installations, there would have to be businesses willing to come forward with a testimonial saying the product is working. That is just basic business sense, has nothing to do with the technology."

There are these business contracts called "secrecy agreements" that apply in such cases. It lets businesses test the technology while protecting the intellectual property of the inventor (in cases where a patent has not yet issued, and the inventor is depending on "trade secrets".

"When Rossi publishes names of companies, and reporters can go to those businesses, see the devices in operation and interview the owners as to the effectiveness of the devices, it will be believable. Until then, it is snake oil."

Official commercial rollout date is October of this year.

36 posted on 04/30/2011 11:11:30 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: backwoods-engineer
"This Rossi guy has got to be a huckster. Why is he going to the media instead of engineers and scientists?"

He HAS gone to engineers and scientists. He has been working with the physics department of the University of Bologna in Italy (with Dr. Focardi) for several years.

All of his demos have been exclusively attended by science professionals, for the most part physicists, largely from Italy, but some from Sweden.

So his public "unveiling" is not exactly without scientific validation.

37 posted on 04/30/2011 11:14:10 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: badgerlandjim

There’s not very many people who are willing to say that what they have been teaching for decades was wrong. I know you won’t find a one amongst the scientists who live on government grants or teach in US universities.


38 posted on 04/30/2011 11:17:02 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are .)
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To: B4Ranch

Yeah. Rossi’s critics say low energy fusion is impossible because it necessarily must violate Coulomb’s Law, which describes the repulsion of two positively charged protons. Impossible, so no point in looking into it or believing the people who say they have contradicting evidence.

Of course, it is also impossible for mankind to ever expect heavier-than-air craft to work either. And there are some crazy bastards out there who even say we’ll walk on the moon someday.


39 posted on 04/30/2011 11:33:56 AM PDT by badgerlandjim
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To: B4Ranch
"Looks as if Rossi has got a working winner."

Yup. I found the posted tidbit either last night or this morning, but have been a bit busy. Glad someone posted it here, and thanks for the ping....otherwise I probably would have missed this thread.

Looks like we are in for "interesting times" (and for the physicists....that phrase used in the "Chinese sense").

40 posted on 04/30/2011 11:40:26 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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