Posted on 04/24/2011 11:29:31 AM PDT by Falcon28
My grandson will complete basic next week, not all American kids are metrosexuals.
I understood the Col. just fine!
No. It’s you that has it wrong. I never defended his signing of the bill. Ever. I defended him because he realized his gross error and turned around and got it right, and did so sincerely.
You owe me an apology.
Reagan never support abortion on demand personally or as a matter of public policy in his life. The 1967 Therapeutic Abortion Act was not abortion on demand. Now you're sounding like the faux conservatives who come onto FR and trash a good man. You are no better then they are. KMA!
You’re calling me a liar, and the burden of proof for that is on you. Produce a single example of me defending Reagan signing that wicked legislation into law.
Otherwise, at a minimum, admit you have no proof of your charge.
Minor correction: Queen Gorgo never said any such thing to a Persian emmissary. That was a creation of the movie 300. It was a woman from another Greek city-state who asked her what made her think that she could speak amongst men, and Gorgo answered that it was because only Spartan women gave birth to real men.
That'll be the day. Bite me.
A “conservative” who admires the socialist/militarist/totalitarian Spartans should never be president.
“Who is going to tell us who this man is? Is he legally there or not?” said Karch. “What are we going to do to ensure that, if he isn’t legally there, it doesn’t happen again?”
Said West: “I will tell you this: That is the dog chasing its tail. The most important thing is, it’s the policies. That’s what we have to be standing on.”
The crowd of about 400 applauded, but Karch wasn’t satisfied.
“But if he’s not, it’s treason,” Karch said.
Said West: “You will waste more time worrying yourself to death about that instead of making sure that you expand the majority in the House of Representatives, you win back the U.S. Senate so that you can stand against the policies that are emanating out of the White House… “What is your objective? Your objective is getting back to a constitutional republic principles and values. If you spend your time worrying about someone’s citizenship, you will never get to that objective.”
West didn’t offer his own opinion on Obama’s citizenship during the public forum. So PostOnPolitics asked him after the meeting.
“He is a citizen. He’s the president. I mean, that’s all I know. I am concerned about his policies,” West said.
I gave you the benefit of the doubt before, not any more.
This is another attempt by you to demean a good conservative, in this case Allen West, with serious charges that don't amount to jacksquat.
You should be ashamed of yourself. Lying on Easter Sunday.
Look, if you want to play with words I can’t do anything about that. But the bill that Reagan signed allowed the number of abortions in California to soar to more than a hundred thousand per year during the last couple of years he was in office there. It was, in practice, abortion on demand.
Especially with the “health” of the mother exception. “Doctors” who have no qualms about butchering a helpless child certainly don’t have any qualms about lying.
As to “rape and incest” exceptions, it is just plain wicked to kill one person for the crime of another. It’s barbaric.
Prove it. Otherwise, admit you're projecting your own views onto me.
National Review
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On June 14, 1967, Ronald Reagan signed the Therapeutic Abortion Act, after only six months as California governor. From a total of 518 legal abortions in California in 1967, the number of abortions would soar to an annual average of 100,000 in the remaining years of Reagan’s two terms — more abortions than in any U.S. state prior to the advent of Roe v. Wade. Reagan’s signing of the abortion bill was an ironic beginning for a man often seen as the modern father of the pro-life movement. How did this happen?
When the issue surfaced in the first months of his governorship, Reagan was unsure how to react. Surprising as it may seem today, in 1967 abortion was not the great public issue that it is today. Reagan later admitted that abortion had been “a subject I’d never given much thought to.” Moreover, his aides were divided on the question.
Reagan began to vigorously study the issue and the Therapeutic Abortion Act. He asked his longtime adviser and Cabinet secretary Bill Clark — a devout Catholic who had contemplated the priesthood — for counsel. “Bill, I’ve got to know more — theologically, philosophically, medically,” Reagan confided. Clark loaded up the governor with a box of reading materials, which he took home and read in semi-seclusion. Edmund Morris later said that, by the time the Therapeutic Abortion Act reached his desk, “Reagan was quoting Saint Thomas Aquinas.” Years later, Reagan remarked that he did “more studying and soul searching” on the issue than any other as governor.
Nonetheless, he signed the bill. Reagan and his staff calculated that if he vetoed the bill, his veto would be overridden by the state legislature. Therefore, he decided to do what he could to make the bill less harmful, arguing for the insertion of certain language that eliminated its worst features and allowed for abortion only in rare cases — such as rape or incest, or where pregnancy would gravely impair the physical or mental health of the mother.
The Therapeutic Abortion Act became law. And as would happen with nearly every abortion law in the years ahead, the mental-health provision was abused by patient and doctor alike. Reagan biographer Lou Cannon notes that even the bill’s Democratic sponsor confessed to being surprised that physicians so liberally interpreted the law.
Reagan was shocked at the unintended consequences of his action. Morris said Reagan was left with an “undefinable sense of guilt” after watching abortions skyrocket. Cannon claims this was “the only time as governor or president that Reagan acknowledged a mistake on major legislation.” Clark called the incident “perhaps Reagan’s greatest disappointment in public life.”
For Reagan, one good thing did come out of this disappointment. As Georgetown’s Matt Sitman notes, “It is impossible to understand his later staunchly pro-life positions without grasping the lessons he learned from this early political battle.” Reagan, says Sitman, survived the ordeal with a “profoundly intellectual understanding of the abortion issue…. It was in 1967 that his ideas concerning the beginning of human life were fully formed.” He now had a cogent understanding, politically and morally, of abortion and its implications.
Reagan would later denounce abortion so strongly and so frequently from the Oval Office that Bill Clark has compiled a 45-page document of Reagan’s quotes on abortion, collected from the official Presidential Papers. Reagan even authored a small book — Abortion and the Conscience of the Nation, featuring contributions from Bill Clark, Malcolm Muggeridge, and Mother Teresa — that was published by the Human Life Foundation in 1984. White House moderates wanted Reagan to delay publication until after the 1984 election, fearing it would turn off pro-choice Republicans, but Reagan refused. He would not be burned again on abortion. No more compromises.
Ronald Reagan emerged from 1967 repentant, but ready for future battles. The damage was done; of course, the results were nothing compared to the travesty that a group of men in black robes in Washington were planning six years later.
You've seen me post the remarks many times, now read it again.
"The 1967 Therapeutic Abortion Act that Reagan signed into law did not grant abortions on demand, nor did it provide government funded abortions. It was specific to the exceptions of substantial risk that would gravely impair the physical or mental health of the woman, along with rape and incest. The same three standard exceptions that most pro-lifers accept today. In fact, the health of the woman exception goes back more than 150 years in California law.
The Therapeutic Abortion Act was advertised as a compassionate law that would be used to deal with the difficult abortion cases. The ultimate blame for the increasing numbers of abortions belonged to the medical community, not to Reagan. Recognizing that passage of the Therapeutic Abortion Act was a mistake, Reagan denounced it in 1967 and immediately began a lifelong crusade against California's abortion policy and later opposing Roe v Wade and its provision for abortion on demand."
Abortion “exceptions” are what opened Pandora’s Box.
Thinking you can now close Pandora’s Box part way is delusional.
Either all persons are provided with the equal protection of the law, or none are.
Either all men are created equal, endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, starting with the right to life, or none are.
Either the Constitution’s ultimate stated purpose remains to “secure the Blessings of Liberty to posterity,” or it has been rendered purposeless.
I never defended him signing the bill. Ever. You're grossly mistaken.
Reagan's own words counts the most. On pages 380-385 of the book, "Reagan In His Own Hand", from an April 1975 radio address Reagan said:
"Eight years ago when I became Gov. I found myself involved almost immediately in a controversy over abortion. It was a subject I'd never given much thought to and one upon which I didn't really have an opinion."
Reagan went onto say, he did his own extensive research on abortion and "I did more studying & soul searching then on any thing that was to face me as Gov".
"I know there will be disagreement with this view but I can find no evidence whatsoever that a fetus is not a living human being with human rights."
From Reagan's Essay, "Abortion and the Conscience of the Nation":
"Our nation-wide policy of abortion on demand through all nine months of pregnancy was neither voted for by our people, nor enacted by our legislators--not a single state had such unrestricted abortion before the Supreme Court decreed it to be national policy in 1973. [It was] "an act of raw judicial power"...
"Make no mistake, abortion-on-demand is not a right granted by the Constitution. Nowhere do the plain words of the Constitution even hint at a "right" so sweeping as to permit abortion up to the time the child is ready to be born."
"We cannot diminish the value of one category of human life--the unborn--without diminishing the value of all human life."
"Abraham Lincoln recognized that we could not survive as a free land when some men could decide that others were not fit to be free and should therefore be slaves. Likewise, we cannot survive as a free nation when some men decide that others are not fit to live and should be abandoned to abortion or infanticide. My Administration is dedicated to the preservation of America as a free land, and there is no cause more important for preserving that freedom than affirming the transcendent right to life of all human beings, the right without which no other rights have any meaning."
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