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Trump fails to produce birth certificate
Politico ^
| 03/28/2011
| Ben Smith
Posted on 03/28/2011 4:48:32 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
Donald Trump made headlines earlier today when he provided what he said was a copy of his birth certificate -- but a quick check reveals it's actually not an official document.
The paper that Trump released says "Jamaica Hospital" on top and lists the date and time of what he says was his birth to "Mr. and Mrs. Fred C. Trump." The piece of paper has a seal at the bottom.
But after several New York City-based readers contacted POLITICO's Maggie Haberman, her call to city officials revealed that an actual birth certificate, which is issued by the Department of Health, would have the agency's seal and also a signature of the city registrar - neither of which the Trump document has. Officials said the city Health Department is the "sole issuing authority" of official birth certificates in New York, and that the document would clearly say so, and "city officials said it's not an official document."
It appears instead to be a hospital "certificate of birth," meaning the piece of paper the hospital gave to his family saying he was born. Such a document typically has the signature of the hospital administrator and the attending physician.
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To: Smokeyblue; All
Was it a digital image of the document???
To: exist
Here's the thing...where were these people - who so rapidly identified Trump's certificate as not the "long form" - when obama posted that exercise in fingerpainting meant to be his COLB?
Hypocrisy - thy direction is left....
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posted on
03/28/2011 7:09:23 PM PDT
by
FrankR
(The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
To: Windflier
There has to be a valid president from 20 January 2009 to present. That leaves Cheney.
163
posted on
03/28/2011 7:09:28 PM PDT
by
W. W. SMITH
(Islam is an instrument of enslavement)
To: Smokeyblue
They’re falling right into The Donald’s trap.
164
posted on
03/28/2011 7:09:41 PM PDT
by
RockinRight
(C'mon people - enough with the FR circular firing squad.)
To: DouglasKC; cynwoody
"Baghdad" Bob Gibbs claimed he put it on the internet. But the HDOH has refused to verify it.
Okubo Refuses To Authenticate COLB
PolitiFact.com actually has Okubo on the record denying that the electronic COLB image provided by the Obama campaign can be authenticated by her or by anyone at DHOH! But that was only in a follow-up to their initial story where Okubo said the COLB was a valid Hawaiian birth certificate. PolitiFact.com describes the controversy that erupted from their initial story: "When the birth certificate arrived from the Obama campaign it confirmed his name as the other documents already showed it. Still, we took an extra step: We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real." "It's a valid Hawaii state birth certificate," spokesman Janice Okubo told us. "Then the firestorm started." After the "firestorm," Politifact apparently conducted a follow-up interview with Okubo which shows that what Okubo meant was that the Obama COLB only appeared to be be a valid Hawaiian BC, but she could not and did not "verify" that it was a valid Hawaiian COLB BC. Politifact: "Okubo says she got a copy of her own birth certificate last year and it is identical to the Obama one we received. "And about the copy we e-mailed her for verification? 'When we looked at that image you guys sent us, our registrar, he thought he could see pieces of the embossed image through it.'" "Still, she acknowledges: 'I don't know that it's possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents.'" Okubo had to back off her original claim. And a good thing ... she originally said Obamas alleged COLB was real because it looked like her own. In other words, she used no formal technique to verify its accuracy. She relied on no official record to verify its accuracy. She just thought it looked like hers. At best, she follows up with a second-hand anecdote, "... our registrar ... thought he could see pieces of the embossed image ..." |
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posted on
03/28/2011 7:11:38 PM PDT
by
TigersEye
(Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
To: W. W. SMITH
There has to be a valid president from 20 January 2009 to present. Show me where it says that in the Constitution. I gave you the citation which supports my contention. Give me yours.
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posted on
03/28/2011 7:12:09 PM PDT
by
Windflier
(To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
To: Azzurri
I’ve followed Trump over the years. I’ve read a couple of his books, watched The Apprentice a handful of times.
He is NOT a guy that makes this kind of mistake. He does this on purpose. Or, at the very least makes it look like it.
Either way the end result will be the same - rope-a-dope.
167
posted on
03/28/2011 7:12:17 PM PDT
by
RockinRight
(C'mon people - enough with the FR circular firing squad.)
To: Windflier
Cheney is it until Congress acts to appoint some one or sets a date for a special election.
168
posted on
03/28/2011 7:12:30 PM PDT
by
W. W. SMITH
(Islam is an instrument of enslavement)
To: Windflier
If president goes, then it goes to Vice president. If vice president goes, it goes to Speaker of the house. If speaker of the house goes, it goes to Secretary of state.
Obama
Biden
Boehner
Clinton
169
posted on
03/28/2011 7:18:35 PM PDT
by
jcsjcm
(This country was built on exceptionalism and individualism. In God we Trust - Laus Deo)
To: Smokeyblue
Since some posters here are forgetting what they learned in Birther Basics 101, and since I believe in repetition and in pointing out the obvious...
The long form is a CERTIFICATE of Live Birth. Obama's widely circulated Internet COLB is or at least is claimed to be a CERTIFICATION of Live Birth:

Here are two more 1961 long form Hawaiian Certificates of Live Birth. These are for the Nordyke twins, born one day after Obama in his supposed birth hospital, the Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital:

Trump's mother's birth in Scotland does not affect his presidential eligibility. Trump's mother became a United States citizen before he was born, so Trump's parents were both U.S. citizens. Trump would have acquired U.S. citizenship at birth no matter where in the world he was born.
Obama's father was never a U.S. citizen. At age 18, Obama's mother was one year too young to have transmitted American citizenship to her son if he was born outside the United States. As the relevant portion of the State Department Foreign Affairs Manual says,
When enacted in 1952,section 301 required a U.S. citizen married to an alien to have been physically present in the United States for ten years, including five after reaching the age of fourteen, to transmit citizenship to foreign-born children.
Just the basics.
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posted on
03/28/2011 7:20:40 PM PDT
by
TChad
To: W. W. SMITH
Cheney is it until Congress acts to appoint some one or sets a date for a special election. Again, no constitutional citation for your claim. You can assert that our government has to do this or that, all day and night, but unless it's in the Constitution, it's just your opinion.
Now, do us both a favor and point to the specific section of the Constitution that spells out the mechanism you're describing, or give it a rest.
171
posted on
03/28/2011 7:20:55 PM PDT
by
Windflier
(To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
To: jcsjcm
If president goes, then it goes to Vice president. Not if the president is removed by Congress. See Article II Section 1 Clause Six.
Can you point me to the section of the Constitution where the presidential succession is laid out? Save me the hunting.
172
posted on
03/28/2011 7:23:58 PM PDT
by
Windflier
(To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
To: jcsjcm
President pro Tempore comes before Secretary of State. Currently, that is Daniel Inouye, but Patrick Leahy is next in line for that post.
173
posted on
03/28/2011 7:28:45 PM PDT
by
Hoodat
(Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. - (Rom 8:37))
To: Windflier
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posted on
03/28/2011 7:31:10 PM PDT
by
Hoodat
(Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. - (Rom 8:37))
To: Windflier
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Two_of_the_United_States_Constitution
I know that I read this when I was surfing through the consitution or congressional records a long time ago. Possibly at the Library of Congress or something like that. But, I really didn’t feel like searching through that again. Too late!
But that link half-way down the page you will see this:
Tyler’s precedent established that if the President’s office becomes vacant due to death, resignation or disqualification, the Vice President becomes President. The Congress may provide for a line of succession beyond the Vice President. The Presidential Succession Act establishes the order as: the Speaker of the House of Representatives, the President pro tempore of the Senate and then the fifteen Cabinet Secretaries in order of that Department’s establishment.
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posted on
03/28/2011 7:31:42 PM PDT
by
jcsjcm
(This country was built on exceptionalism and individualism. In God we Trust - Laus Deo)
To: jamese777
It’s not his eligibility that is the problem, methinks. There’s something else Trump’s after here.
We just don’t know what, yet, but I bet he’s already seen it and is waiting till the right time.
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posted on
03/28/2011 7:32:47 PM PDT
by
RockinRight
(C'mon people - enough with the FR circular firing squad.)
To: K-Stater
Name: Mary A. Trump
SSN: 082-38-4344
Last Residence: 11432 Jamaica, Queens, New York, United States of America
Born: 10 May 1912
Died: 7 Aug 2000
State (Year) SSN issued: New York (1963)
Date of Naturalization: March 10, 1942
photo of the document here by Red Steel, post #91: Name: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2695557/posts?page=91#91
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posted on
03/28/2011 7:33:38 PM PDT
by
patlin
(Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
To: jcsjcm
I’m not sure why I thought it then went to the Secretary of Defense?
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posted on
03/28/2011 7:34:11 PM PDT
by
jcsjcm
(This country was built on exceptionalism and individualism. In God we Trust - Laus Deo)
To: eyedigress
I have two. One I ordered online that is a printoff (with a seal) from the state of OH. Just shows name, birthdate, gender, race and names of parents with state of birth.
I have another one that my mother gave me when I first moved out of the house, that also has a seal, signed by the doctor, shows my weight, length, race, birthdates, birth locations of parents IIRC. Just a tad more information.
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posted on
03/28/2011 7:35:01 PM PDT
by
RockinRight
(C'mon people - enough with the FR circular firing squad.)
To: jcsjcm
Wrong: It goes VP, Speaker, Majority leader of the Senate, then Secretary of State. That is only if the office holders are legit. With Obama ineligible that would put us on untrod ground which no one foresaw. I do not want the history books of the future saying that we in effect did not have a president for over two years. Logic leads me to Dick Cheney( who does not want the job, but duty calls). He would serve until a special election or congress appoints some one.
It worries me that I am the only one that says Cheney is stuck with the job. I'm afraid he will track me down and stick me with the VP position and I don't want it.
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posted on
03/28/2011 7:36:35 PM PDT
by
W. W. SMITH
(Islam is an instrument of enslavement)
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