10 round Mosin-Nagant magazine, plus the "Mos-unov"!

Datamancer.net ^ | 3-15-11 | Richard Nagy

[TexasBarak]

Found the link to this on www.thefirearmsblog.com the other day. I'm a "maker" myself, but don't hold a candle to this guy! At the top of the page is an entry or two on a Dragunov style stock he is building for a Mosin-Nagant- and down the page are several entries on the 10-round magazine he designed and built for a Mosin-Nagant!

[Yorlik803]

I got a bayonet, ammo pouches and sling when I got mine. Sweet rifle and looks great.

[Lees Swrd]

Still lots of the collector Mosins to be had a lot of dealers dont realize the difference in them and sell them for the same price as less desirable ones.

[dynachrome]

I like the Finns. Very accurate, beefy rifles. Plus, I did get one of the antique ones from http://www.gunsnammo.com

[archy]

I have fired several Nagants, and they are utter garbage compared to the M21, M24 and M40 SWS's.

Funny. This guy managed 515 hits with his. On targets that could shoot back. At -40, far enough north on the Arctic Circle at a time of year that there was only four or five hours of shooting light daily. Oh, and he managed those numbers in just a hundred days of fighting, during the four-month-long Finnish Winter War of 1938-1940. Mostly, he was using his iron-sighted reworked Model M-28/30, though he worked with captured scoped Soviet M30s and SVTs as well.

Yes, he tried out the SVD before he passed away in 2002. Said he didn't think it was as accurate as his bolt gun, and that it balanced poorly.

You ever try one of the Navy M86s?

Simo Häyhä

[archy]

The Finns re-barreled a lot of them and they were known to be unusually accurate.

The model M/28-30 is a little different from the later M/39 and the reworked Finnish models that preceeded it in that it mounts a heavy barrel with a .3085 bore rather than the more usual .310-.312 bore diameter of most Finnish and Soviet Mosin-Nagants in the 7,62x54 rimmed M1891 cartridge chambering. At the time, this allowed the use of the then-new 172-175-grain boattail bullets of .308 diameter developed by the Swiss for their M1911 and K31 straight-pull rifles. The bullet was also adopted for match loadings for the American M1903A2 Springfield rifle, and that experience caused the first U.S. match bullet loads for the '03 to be produced with a 172-graid bullet.

There are several other bullets that have come along over the intervening 80 years that perform as well or a little better than the old Finnish 7,62x53mmR loadings. Nevertheless, my three M/28-30 rifles can still keep all their rounds on a silhouette target at a half-mile, 880 yards, just as they did *back then.* And that's with iron sights and my 60-year-old-plus eyes.

[yarddog]

Thanks for the info. I didn’t know that about the bore size.

I had a Chinese carbine and it locked up after every shot. I would have to take a wooden club and hammer the bolt open. I gave it to a guy who later told me he loved it. I now wonder if I got a bad batch of ammo.

Also had a really long one which had the hexagonal receiver. It had so many markings on it that I suspect it had been rebuilt at least once. I liked that one OK but sold it along with a whole lot of other guns while in grad school. Simply had to have the money to stay in school.

[TexasBarak]

I find that an old t-shirt and low odor mineral spirits (paint thinner)do a good job. Just take it all the way apart, and get busy. I pick up old t-shirts at garage sales for just this kind of thing.

[Lurker]

I’m going to take a close look at what I get and throw the particulars your way if you don’t mind. Thanks.

[Smokin' Joe]

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[archy]

I had a Chinese carbine and it locked up after every shot. I would have to take a wooden club and hammer the bolt open. I gave it to a guy who later told me he loved it. I now wonder if I got a bad batch of ammo.

That's one possibility. I had a pal with an M44 carbine that gave at its best around 14-inch groups at a 100 meters, using various surplus ammo. I tried a diet of my brass-cased reloads, and it settled right in around 4-5 inches, and a little load development knocked an inch and a half off that.

[archy]

I’m going to take a close look at what I get and throw the particulars your way if you don’t mind. Thanks.

I certainly don't mind. There are way too many variations and permutations of the MN for me to consider myself any sort of *expert* on the things, but I do know some serious MN collectors and armorers, and I've had a couple of dozen over the years, so I am at least a Reasonably Knowledgable Individual. And I can point you to a couple of pretty fair reference works.

[going hot]

varius surplus ammo is junk. Cheap ammo is just that, cheap. Why waste the time and barrel?

Besides, it makes for lousy shooting habits.

.Get that load just right, get that barrel vibrating like a well tuned fork, and those bullets will hit the same hole, over and over.

[yarddog]

Thanks for the info.

I wanted to mention something my Father told me about the Russians. I have some pictures he took of them and some, others in his outfit took and have recently been sent to me.

They were among the first U.S. Troops in Berlin. They actually met up with the Russians around 30 miles outside of Berlin.

When I got my first Mosin-Nagant, I asked him how the Russians liked them.

He told me he never saw a Russian carrying one. They were all carrying the little sub machine guns by which I am sure he meant PPSH.

Of course by this time nearly all the combat had ended. He did say there were still a few random shots fired. He actually saw Russians throw German boys off a roof. The boys were sill in uniform.

They must have had a few MNs still in use if for no other reason than sniper rifles.

[Lurker]

Thank you again. I’m looking forward to cleaning them up and making them “bang”.