Posted on 03/17/2011 9:28:59 AM PDT by bkepley
In his garbled but sweeping comment that Duke recruits only “black players that were ‘Uncle Toms,’ ” Jalen seems to change the usual meaning of those very vitriolic words into his own meaning, i.e., blacks from two-parent, middle-class families. He leaves us all guessing exactly what he believes today.
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Grant Hill’s dad is Calvin Hill, btw
“I am proud of my family. I am proud of my Duke championships and all my Duke teammates. And, I am proud I never lost a game against the Fab Five.
Grant Henry Hill
Phoenix Suns
Duke ‘94”
Hill = class
Rose = ass
Are you sure, I was thinking Thomas Hill who played at Duke was Calvin’s son. not sure but I alway mix up which one is Calvin’s son
So my interpretation of Jalen Rose’ comments is the following; “You ain’t black if you ain’t ghetto, G.”
If you DON’T wear your pants 15 sizes too big.
If you DON’T show the world the top half of your boxers.
If you speak and write intelligible english.
If you believe in a strong moral compass.
If you were raised by BOTH a mother and a father TOGETHER.
You are a race traitor. Jalen Rose is a dirt bag and the only thing that kept said dirtbag from being dead or in prison was the ability to bounce a ball.
I’d like to think Rose has moved on...he may have been saying AT THE TIME we regarded them as “Uncle Toms” which is code for they were more white acting, assimilated, etc.
Now, I would say Rose is Uncle Tom by his 1993 standards.
Great article. Grant Hill would have been successful at any career he had chosen. Have always liked him and his father. He is clearly a better person than those criticizing him.
I think that Rose thinks Duke is a wealthy, exclusive university. Yet Rose went to Michigan, one of the most prominent universities in the United States. I could see some black player from Jackson State or other Historically Black college calling Rose and the Fab Five “Uncle Toms” or “Tap-dancing Stepin’ Fetchits”.
Calvin is Grants daddy. Grant’s mother, a lawyer helped negotiate his first pro BB contract. Grant is one of the good guys. His dad was one heck of a cowboy.
Calvin Hill went to Yale and, though I hate the Cowboys, is an admirable man. I always liked him even though he was a Cowboy.
Didn’t the so-called fab five play for a white coach? Hmmm, performing for the man there jalen?
Oh yeah, chris webber, nice call with that time out.
To all five, how much fun was beating Duke...oh wait...
Good job by Grant Hill.
It certainly wasn’t the most insightful or classy part of the piece, but I’ve got to admit I really enjoyed the last line:
“And, I am proud I never lost a game against the Fab Five.”
Who said Duke guys can’t talk trash. :-)
To somewhat defend Rose, he talking about how he felt as a teenager, 20 years ago, not necessarily how he feels now. I get the feeling that Rose was jealous of Hill and his “Cosby Show” like upbringing. This is somewhat understandable given that Rose had an absentee “father” (who was an NBA player). He was angry that he didn’t have father, and he should be. He just shouldn’t have held it against Hill and his parents.
I also think it is good that the conversation was started, as Rose is undoubtedly not the only one who feels (or felt) that way about black people who grew up in strong, successful families, like Hill did.
Hopefully this will cause some black people who thought like Rose to wake up to their own foolishness, and realize that they should be praising families like Hill’s not resenting or bashing them.
I saw the film and I took Jimmy King’s comments about thinking Hill and Laetner were “b***ches” before playing them, as sort of compliment. He seemed to be saying he thought they were soft until they kicked the Fab Five’s butts.
Grant just “schooled” Jalen, again.
Oh yeah, chris webber, nice call with that time out.
To all five, how much fun was beating Duke...oh wait...<<<
Watching the film, Rose's point seemed to be that Duke didn't recruit ghetto kids with tattoos and attitudes.
What I don't think he realized is that talent being equal, pretty much every program would recruit kids like Hill rather than Fab Five types. The difference is, Duke, because of its tradition and great coach was able to get kids just as talented, without compromising on character and polish. Michigan recruited kids like the Fab Five because it had to in order to win, not because it liked them better.
Regarding the timeout, there was an point on it that I never knew before. At least one reserve on the Michigan bench was signaling timeout (and he admitted as much in the film), right in front of Webber, and you can see Webber mouthing angry words at a player or players on the bench after the technical was called.
Obviously, it was still Webber’s fault, but when you are caught in a trap in the corner, with no timeouts left, it doesn't help to have teammates telling you to call timeout. To his credit, I don't think he ever publicly mentioned that part.
I was also impressed with the way he came out and did the post game press conference. He was obviously totally crushed and humiliated, and did not want to be there, but he sat up there and took the questions.
“Michigan recruited kids like the Fab Five because it had to in order to win, not because it liked them better.”
Bull. Any program can build its own tradition. Indiana, Kentucky, Kansas, North Carolina...Michigan is a highly respected program. They don’t need to recruit “ghetto kids” to win.
How many national championships did Bobby Knight win? Why is Indiana any different than Michigan?
Indiana is (or was) different from Michigan for pretty much the same reason Duke is. They had a legendary coach and a great tradition (even greater than Duke’s at the time).
Indiana has always been a hotbed for basketball and Indiana kids used to grow up dreaming of playing for IU. Also, Bob Knight (unlike Coach K) generally didn’t have the most talent in his conference (though IU had a lot of talent), but had disciplined, well coached players, who played as a team on both ends of the court. His coaching and system were probably good for at least 10 points a game against most other coaches.
Just to clarify, there are plenty of good kids, with good grades and attitudes, from the ghetto who go on to play college basketball. Rose was the one saying that Duke didn’t recruit kids like the Fab Five, with tatoos and swagger.
My point was that, if they are equally talented, any school will recruit the clean cut honor student with a great attitude over the guy with more issues, and that schools that feel they need to recruit riskier recruits to compete will generally do so.
I should also point out that Jalen Rose seems to be a pretty good guy. He had a lengthy and very good NBA career and as far as I know has never had any off the court problems, and apparently contributes quite a bit of time and money to charitable causes.
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