St. Patrick's Day surprise: Study finds relatives who share Obama's Irish ancestry; some kin unhappy

NYDailyNews ^ | March 17, 2011 | Philip Caulfield

[maggief]

A new study claims that President Obama has 28 living relatives who share his Irish ancestry, but some of the newly discovered kin aren't eager to share a pint with him.

In the study, released to The Associated Press by family history website Ancestry.com, genealogists traced the descendants of about two dozen passengers who came to America from Ireland on the ship Marmion in March 1850.

[muawiyah]

With Magolis (classical Greek version) running about in Iberia as an ally to the Carthaginians, it's pretty obvious that "McWallace" predates the creation of any sort of state called Wales ~ or, "Wallace" ~ or Cornwall. Now that the Brits are putting the old post Roman estate names on the Internet you get an idea of just how Gaelic Britain was before the Sassanach showed up.

I think you need to begin reading these names as "sentences".

We start with the honorific prefixes ~ Mac, Mc, O' and Bo ~ I think there are others but I couldn't find any clear cut references to them since so terribly many Gaelic variations have gone extinct and entirely too many Sassanach barbarians have tried to mis-spell Gaelic names with too many "ough", "wh" and "hw"s. Second, you have tribal affiliation ~ and that is usually going to have a foreshortened abbreviation that might even have started as a sentence describing the range (for cattle herding) of that particular bunch. Then, you have an "l" sound in there which may be combined with some other sound to identify a lord or noble with a specific territory he rules. Car or Ker(Kel) or Kerr (Kell) may precede any of the honorifics to denote anything from a "point", "cove", "bay", "swamp", "county", "kingdom". Some of the very long Cornish titles still appear in spain and they are full blown sentences.

Once you know the system you suddenly realize that the appearance of the same name in two places, or a hundred, in different countries, probably doesn't mean anything more than that you had a bunch of Gaelic speakers who used the same system of nomenclature, and roughly the same language. Nobody needed to relocate at all.

You find Wallace in Wales, you find Wallace in Scotland (Alba) or in Brittany or in Galicia, it's just the same doggone sentence that tells you something about some Gauls in a country, nominative singular. Spelling was optional ~ and still is!

Even the quite common and ordinary name ALEXANDER is obviously related to Wallace, as is McAlexander. The difference has to do with local dialects, anomalous spelling conventions, and misread records. I think William Alexander, Lord Stirling tells us an awful lot about the system. He's got his tribal affiliations, his place in the sequence of the generations, as well as a title to a claim of a place in Parliament all tied up in his name.

Some French nobles way back when had as many as 30+ different titles. In an attempt to nail down the family the Bourbon clan before they became kings, tied the reference to the wine country where they owned so terribly many vineyards, Beaujolais, to your position in the family. They had Monsieur (first son), Orleans (second son), Beaujolais (third son), and eldest sister was also known as "Beaujolais" and usually also named "jeanne". The "beau" is definitely tied into the now extinct Gaelic title system once present in Beaujolais ~ after the vinyards had been re-established by Gaelic speaking immigrants from Brittany (and earlier Great Britain) sometime in the 7th century. They also have the same King Ad (arthur) tales as the Welsh, with many of those stories having a clear origin in areas North of the Black Sea.

Now, regarding the Gaelic speaking people in what is now Turkey, at the time they relocated from Europe to Asia Minor, the Turks still lived nearer Tibet and China than they did Europe or Asia Minor.

We still need to deal with those pesky Galatians ~ they took over a big chunk of Asian Minor as a RULING CLASS in the 3rd Century BC.

The earlier Gauls who worked their way around to Spain had departed the Danube in the 8th Century BC.

That's half a millenium! Different folks, different period of time, and probably had difficulty communicating with each other by that time.

What was going on were a series of constant, chronic disruptions in the Balkans for about 2,000 years beginning about 1800 BC and lasting until the beginning of the withdrawl of Rome from the region about 200 AD. Some of it was due to the Iron age, other parts involved new technology in farming or raising cattle. Yet other problems arose out of wars with what many people believe were tributary tribes we now refer to as Germanic.

For whatever reason they got pushed out of the East and went as far West as they could and did quite well. Now they rule America!

And that ain't bad.

[Bellflower]

They DO know who his mother is. On St. Patrick’s Day is father(s) are immaterial, especially since the Irish is on his mother’s side.

People who knew his mom, such as college friends, at the time she was suppose to have had him said that she did not appear pregnant nor spoke of being pregnant but suddenly appeared with a baby. So there is question about even whether his purported mother is actually his real birth mother, albeit they do look somewhat alike.

[Salamander]

Yet you still can’t spell Sassenach correctly and believe in “Queen Scota and her son “Ir”.

You are a sad joke.

“We start with the honorific prefixes ~ Mac, Mc”

Mac and Mc mean simply “son of”, you twit.
They’re not “honorific”; they’re -hereditary-.
[the “logic” of Norse surnames must really blow your mind]

Go back to reading your Lucky Charms box.

“Once you know the system you suddenly realize that the appearance of the same name in two places, or a hundred, in different countries, probably doesn’t mean anything more than that you had a bunch of Gaelic speakers who used the same system of nomenclature, and roughly the same language. Nobody needed to relocate at all.”

And *that* is precisely how archaeologists and anthropologists can accurately trace the migration of the Celts from their first appearance and subsequent spread.

They left _their language_ as a permanent legacy of their passing through.

“Car or Ker(Kel) or Kerr (Kell) may precede any of the honorifics to denote anything from a “point”, “cove”, “bay”, “swamp”, “county”, “kingdom””

Again, those words are not “honorifics”; they are descriptive _root_ words in place names.

And FYI, Caesar -never- called them “Galicians” or any other such silliness.

They were Gauls.

Period.

I’ll give you this much...while the rest of us are out enjoying pleasant weather and cleaning koi ponds, you’ve wasted your whole day Googling yourself silly and copying and pasting the most disjointed “dissertation” I’ve ever read.

Slán go maith.

[AuH2ORepublican]

BTW, if the Michelle Obama picture looks like it was added on after the fact, that’s because (I just found out) it was:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/photos/derrieres.asp

But the junk in Michelle’s trunk is real, and the outfit is the one she wore when she met the King and Queen of Spain in Mayorca.

[NFHale]

Can’t trust Snopes, Mr. Goldwater...it’s a lefty sight.

She’s a wide load, bro...and she’s trying to tell US what we can, should, can’t and shouldn’t eat? FuMO and FuBO.

But my oh my...the other two...boy howdy! Some serious “wiggle in da walk”...

[NFHale]

Just read the Snopes piece (must take shower now, after visiting a lefty site)...

Appears you are indeed correct.

[muawiyah]

It would seem you are unaware of how to differentiate between honorifics and patronymics.

Much the loss.

Everybody else seems to be able to do it ~ I suggest you study your Gaelic language group a bit more.

Now, about tracing stray Celts, hither and yon, the leadership elite who took over wild tribesmen in Northern Spain in the 8th century BC were few enough in number they left little genetic trace that can be demonstrated to be different from that of the people who were there in the first place. That, however does not mean they entered Britain from the East. The Galician records clearly snow they entered from the South.They dismissed the Galician records as fairy tails. Still, the Irish them selves record an invasion from the South,

[Salamander]

LOL!

It took you -three- days to Google that?

You’ll really *hate* this....:)

http://euroheritage.net/celtsofspain.shtml

“The Galician records clearly snow they entered from the South.They dismissed the Galician records as fairy tails.”

Not only “fairy tales”, [of which you are *so* fond]
they dismiss the Galicians out of hand as not being “Celts” at all.

If I hadn’t noticed the new ping, *I* would have dismissed you and your faux-expertise, likewise.

Nice to know you’re such a big Salamander fan.

Get in line.

” I suggest you study your Gaelic language group a bit more.”

I suggest *you* stop basing your “proof” on spurious claims, fairy tales and hearsay.

The Irish, themselves, record -five- distinct “invasions”, actually.

Anois ag dul amach, leathcheann.

[kalee]

Michele ordered dinner and new clothes.

[muawiyah]

The Galicians have the same mtDNA sets found among the Irish and are otherwise indistinguishable from them and other Gaelic speaking (former or otherwise) people around the Bay of Biscay.

All theories must also account for mtDNA, and if a theory doesn't do that,........................ which yours doesn't, ........................

NOTE: Traveling ~ internet unavailable while on the road.