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East Antarctic Ice Sheet getting thicker from underneath
Watts Up With That? ^ | March 8, 2011 | Anthony Watts

Posted on 03/08/2011 9:06:13 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach


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From AAAS online:

Widespread Persistent Thickening of the East Antarctic Ice Sheet by Freezing from the Base

Abstract

An International Polar Year aerogeophysical investigation of the high interior of East Antarctica reveals widespread freeze-on that drives significant mass redistribution at the bottom of the ice sheet. While surface accumulation of snow remains the primary mechanism for ice sheet growth, beneath Dome A 24% of the base by area is frozen-on ice. In some places, up to half the ice thickness has been added from below.

These ice packages result from conductive cooling of water ponded near the Gamburtsev Subglacial Mountain ridges and supercooling of water forced up steep valley walls. Persistent freeze-on thickens the ice column, alters basal ice rheology and fabric and upwarps the overlying ice sheet, including the oldest atmospheric climate archive, and drives flow behavior not captured in present models.

  1. Robin E. Bell1,
  2. Fausto Ferraccioli2,
  3. Timothy T. Creyts1,

  4. David Braaten3,
  5. Hugh Corr2,
  6. Indrani Das1,
  7. Detlef Damaske4,
  8. Nicholas Frearson1,

  9. Thomas Jordan2,
  10. Kathryn Rose2,
  11. Michael Studinger5, and
  12. Michael Wolovick1

+ Author Affiliations


  1. 1Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University, Palisades, NY 10964, USA.

  2. 2British Antarctic Survey, High Cross, Madingley Road, Cambridge CB3 0ET, UK.

  3. 3Center for the Remote Sensing of Ice Sheets, Kansas University, Lawrence, KS, USA.

  4. 4Bundesanstalt für Geowissenschaften und Rohstoffe, Hannover, Germany.

  5. 5Goddard Earth Science and Technology Center, University of Maryland Baltimore County, MD, and NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, MD, USA.



TOPICS: Conspiracy; Science; Weather
KEYWORDS: antarctic; climatechange; easttantarctic; globalwarminghoax

1 posted on 03/08/2011 9:06:15 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: NormsRevenge; steelyourfaith; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; tubebender; Carry_Okie; Brad's Gramma; ...

fyi


2 posted on 03/08/2011 9:07:23 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

That tears it!

We’ve just GOT to do SOMETHING about all this man-caused global warming...


3 posted on 03/08/2011 9:07:57 AM PST by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

So only Glowball Warming from above can fight this Globe’s Cooling from below?

I see a SyFy tv mini-series!.....


4 posted on 03/08/2011 9:12:47 AM PST by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Department of Life, Department of Liberty, Department of Happiness)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Just wait until it gets so big it breaks off. Then we will have proof of global warming.

Just watch.


5 posted on 03/08/2011 9:13:01 AM PST by SouthTexas (Tea time!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

"And Leon is getting laaaarger."

6 posted on 03/08/2011 9:14:37 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Interesting E.. We knew the eastern half of the continent was gaining snow/ice thickness for a few years. This finding now gives us a better idea to the why.


7 posted on 03/08/2011 9:16:35 AM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....Duncan Hunter Sr. for POTUS.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
It's those "Cold Hearted" Tea Bisquits and their anti liberal agenda. Marilyn, Jack and Tony knew that "Some Like it Hot!"

Wassa matta U?

8 posted on 03/08/2011 9:18:43 AM PST by Young Werther ("Quae cum ita sunt" Since these things are so!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Sea ice around Antartica has actually been growing for years. Also the temperature has been dropping in most of Antartica for about 40 years. NOAA used to have a temperature chart on the ‘net showing this, but took it down a couple of years ago. They recalculated the average starting in 1950, which showed a slight increase. The previous average that showed a decline had been from 1970. After they put the new chart up the scientests involved said this proved Antarctica was warming, inspite of the fact the temps had been declining over most of the continent since 1970.

The main area showing an increase in temps is the peninsula in W. Antarctica, and that’s where most of the global warming stories are centered. Also, there aren’t that many weather stations located in Antarctica, and Watts Up With That has published some photos showing them completely buried in snow, which would of course insulate them and make the temps they record inaccurate.


9 posted on 03/08/2011 9:18:51 AM PST by Stevenc131
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To: dfwgator

How ‘bout some coffee, Johnny ?


10 posted on 03/08/2011 9:22:22 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

No, thanks.


11 posted on 03/08/2011 9:27:44 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Marine_Uncle

Much discussion in the comments on this and what it means....


12 posted on 03/08/2011 9:31:32 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: All
From the comments:

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E.M.Smith says:

March 8, 2011 at 4:32 am

@Baa Humbug:

Don’t know if I meet your qualifications, or if I’ve got it right, but what it said to me was:

1) Ice can form at the bottom. Some ice cores may ‘have issues’ due to this, or not, if you are careful.

2) Ice forms around the edges where there are puddles from the mountains. Ice growth is NOT just from snowfall. Measuring snowfall does not tell you total ice growth.

3) We don’t really know where all the ice is coming from.

4) We don’t really know the exact history of all the ice (as we now know some is from the bottom). So things like “it’s about this thick so about that old” are now broken.

5) How does adding ice from the bottom change the implied CO2 in the ice (if at all)? Does it in any way mess up the nice snow layers? (I’d guess not, but…)

6) Doing a “mass balance” that says “snow on / calving and melt off” will be saying “it’s MELTING” when it isn’t as you missed the “added from below” ice. It may well be growing a lot more than that technique would indicate. So you need something more like sats and radar measuring height…

7) It’s just kind of way cool and a new idea!

I’m sure there is more, but that’s the big bits I got at 4 am and sleepy ;-)


13 posted on 03/08/2011 9:37:05 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: All
More from the comments:

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Don Penim says:

March 8, 2011 at 6:20 am

Someone should tell Tim Naish about this because he seems to be coming to very different and alarming conclusions:

–Victoria University Antarctic and climate change researcher Professor Tim Naish has been watching the weather this year and has found nothing to reassure him.

In Antarctica, where Tim’s research is focused, the trends are the same. Both the Greenland and West Antarctic ice sheets are beginning to melt and new research suggests the same is happening to the world’s biggest ice sheet in East Antarctica.

“Rising sea levels present one of the biggest threats to civilisation as we know it,” says Tim.

Tim is Director of Victoria University’s Antarctic Research Centre and one of the lead authors of the next international climate change assessment from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) , due for release in 2014. –

http://wiredcampus.chronicle.com/campusViewpointArticle/Climate-change-The-clock-is/388/


14 posted on 03/08/2011 9:41:15 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks for the feedback. Didn’t sleep a wink after going to bed at 3AM then getting up at 8AM., to do house chores, shopping etc.. Think I am going to hit the rack.


15 posted on 03/08/2011 9:42:40 AM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....Duncan Hunter Sr. for POTUS.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Entrepreneur; tubebender; mmanager; Fiddlstix; Fractal Trader; FrPR; ...
Thanx for the ping Ernest_at_the_Beach !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

16 posted on 03/08/2011 3:35:42 PM PST by steelyourfaith ("Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; 75thOVI; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; ...

Thanks Ernest!
 
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17 posted on 03/08/2011 5:33:22 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; SunkenCiv

Am I surprised? No. Not really.


18 posted on 03/08/2011 5:52:13 PM PST by Monkey Face (I've had amnesia for as long as I can remember.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

wow. That is interesting. I would say we might need a new theory of how this happens.


19 posted on 03/08/2011 8:25:11 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: GeronL

Global Cooling.

Maybe the Earth’s core is no longer producing those millions of degrees Algore said it was.


20 posted on 03/08/2011 8:37:17 PM PST by AFreeBird
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