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To: NoLibZone

This document is interesting for several reasons.

1. If real, it is one of the few documents from Obama’s early life to have escaped the memory hole. That makes it significant in and of itself.

2. The document records the name Barry Soetoro, religion Islam, and nationality, Indonesian all from a time when no one had a reason to invent some alternate account.

3. Unfortunately for the Kenyan birth advocates, it also records his birthplace as Honolulu; again, from a time and place when recording anything except the truth was unlikely.

In my view, this document destroys the Kenya birth story, but does raise legitimate questions about what steps Obama took to regain his citizenship, when did he take those steps, and what things might he have done to take advantage of his Indonesian citizenship before it became a handicap.

I find quite plausible a scenario that Obama did not act immediately to regain his citizenship and may have taken advantage of his foreign status to avoid registering for the draft, gain admission to college as a foreign exchange student and may explain why he seems to have a social security number challenge. His strange and almost certainly illegal behavior can be explained very nicely.

Is it true? Who knows, in fact, who really knows anything about Obama’s early life and what documents remain undestroyed that could confirm it. What is interesting about this theory is that many Constitutional scholars and citizenship experts contend that if Obama has sought restoration of his citizenship upon gaining his majority, he would have been restored to its original character and might well be eligible to be President. But, he clearly did not want attention directed at his early life and had calculated that even if the courts had found him to be eligible, he could not win under such conditions.

That’s my theory, and I’m sticking to it. I make no silly claims that my theory is true and that anyone who doesn’t believe it is a troll.


26 posted on 02/13/2011 4:06:47 PM PST by centurion316
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To: centurion316

Under US law, if someone is born a citizen by virtue of the US citizenship of their parent(s), *nothing* a citizen parent can do can changes that status, for example the child will remain a citizen even if the parents renounce their own citizenship, and they cannot renounce a child’s citizenship.

So there is no need for such a child to “recover” their citizenship, as they have never lost it.


34 posted on 02/13/2011 4:20:54 PM PST by M. Dodge Thomas
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To: centurion316
Unfortunately for the Kenyan birth advocates,

It really does not matter that he may have been born in Hawaii, although not having been born there would make the issue a no-brainer.

The question arises of whether his father and his mother's alleged husband were the same person, and if so, whether his dual citizenship, conferred by his father's non-immigrant, non-(US) citizen status denies him Natural Born Citizenship (as in Vattel), as opposed to the choice to be a US citizen at 18.

Being merely a citizen is not enough, being naturalized is not enough, if he even has that.

The questions which have been raised about his Selective Service Registration (the alleged documents being generated on a form which did not come into existence until long after he was supposed to have registered) cause question of whether any attempts to conform to the ordinary behaviours of one posessing US citizenship may have been an afterthought.

89 posted on 02/14/2011 1:44:02 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: centurion316
3. Unfortunately for the Kenyan birth advocates, it also records his birthplace as Honolulu; again, from a time and place when recording anything except the truth was unlikely.

In my view, this document destroys the Kenya birth story, but does raise legitimate questions about what steps Obama took to regain his citizenship, when did he take those steps, and what things might he have done to take advantage of his Indonesian citizenship before it became a handicap.

I disagree about how this affects the possibility of Kenyan birth. Obama's mama wasn't particularly honest. In her divorce records she already made it look she and Barak Sr. lived together as man and wife for two years when in reality she was in Washington state while he was in Hawaii. The Hawaiian birth story may have been one of her lies that she perpetuated after marrying Lolo. Certainly he wouldn't have had direct knowledge of where Barry was really born, so if he filled out the school form, then he wouldn't have known any better about listing a different place of birth than what he was told by Stanley Ann.

95 posted on 02/14/2011 7:53:01 AM PST by edge919
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To: centurion316

I would agree with most if not all of your statements and assertions. They make a lot of sense.

The question is Was Lolo Sotoro an American Citizen?

If he was not, then Obama is still in the same boat. He could not be a natural born citizen no matter where he was born.
Even if born in Hawaii, he would only be a “native born citizen” as he states on his website.

In order to be natural born he would have to be born of a mother and father who were american citizens.


123 posted on 02/15/2011 12:01:11 AM PST by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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