Posted on 01/22/2011 10:24:53 AM PST by Bigtigermike
I'm sick and tire some on our side buying into the myth that if we just "rise above the fray" from attacks that are scurrilous and baseless that we will somehow win the arguments against us! That's pure bull!
We are playing right into the hands of the MSM and liberals when we act civil and honorable "according to their rules of acting civil and honorable" which is to shut up and sit down about conservatism and not fight back. The only kind of people that the left and MSM consider honorable are people like Bob Dole and John McCain both of whom lost by not fighting.
Speaking of McCain, notice how 'civil' he was in 2008 "[Senator Obama] is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared about as President of the United States,". There's a difference between rhetoric and record, but you can still be respectful," McCain said to one questioner. "I will point out his record and I will do it with respect."
Did Obama act respectful and civil? Linking President Bush and Senator John McCain as partners in “the failed policies” of the past seven years and criticizing them for “hypocrisy, fear peddling, fear mongering.”? "They're going to try to make you afraid of me. They're going to say you know what, "He's young and inexperienced and he's got a funny name. Did I mention he's black?"
The MSM called McCain's rallies vitriolic and tinged with racism and hateful but said that Obama has run a clean, non-slanderous campaign and deserves respect. He is the one that wishes to address the issues and look how wonderful Obama is, he will help heal the nation.!!!
What happened in 2008 is almost happening in 2011 with the attacks on Sarah over the Tucson attacks; Barack Obama stood back for days and let his supporters in the media and left rip Palin apart, only then to proclaim that we don't really know what happened in Tuscon and let the media narrative was how wonderful Obama is!
But this time Sarah fought back after a few days and only had a few choice towards the media, and the left and media STILL ATTACKED HER OVER IT'!
If all the others here or pundits like Dick Morris or even FOX NEWS are gonna sit around and watch this happen and say "don't do nothing" or be tepid in a response at best then they need a brain analysis. If Conservatives cannot defend themselves over these baseless, libelous charges then they got no business running. period!
I did not accuse anybody of anything! I tried to say "Let us rise above the fray"! The "Fray" is pretty vulgar. It seems that the whole point of the thread was, "lets get down and dirty, just like they do". That is what I am taking issue against. I have not directed anything against specific people. You people choose to make that the case even though I have stated that such is not the case numerous times now.
If it is time to fight, it is way past time to talk. Talk nice until it is time to fight.
McCain was quite civil and gracious towards our political enemies. Unfortunately, he demonstrated nothing but contempt towards conservatives.
I made the same comment to Gingis-Kerry. He still hasn't responded to it. He's a slippery one.
Which reminds me, my local supermarket stopped carrying fresh wild salmon. I'd better go chastise some FReepers about it. Forget that they have nothing to do with it. Someone has got to be reprimanded about it! It's easier to make unfounded accusations on an anonymous website rather than manning up and dealing with the real problem. That's what I call progressive!
I also provided a list of violent acts perpetrated by lefties towards conservatives (post 119) which he seems to have ignored.
What they do to us is not necessarily what we should do to them. I ignored it because what others do is not a recipe for what I should do, nor a justification for bad behavior on my part.
I don't recall any rules that indicate that I must respond to everything people say or quote, or do. I get to choose the issues to which I respond. Responding to everything is precisely what sets up a heated argument, generally over unrelated side issues.
It sure is great to be among friends.
“Did that come out of my mouth?”
Nope, I don’t see no hate speech. If they complain, just hit ‘em harder.
I think Freepers would have been better off ignoring you from the start of this thread. That’s what I do when somebody is trying to start a fight just for the sake of fighting, which it is clear you have been doing from the beginning. I have a feeling your wife knows exactly what I’m talking about.
That couldn't be further from the truth. I am the one who is on the defense here.
Yep, he ignored some of mine also, especially where I pointed out that he is the one who started and perpetuated this entire peeing contest. Who knows, mebbe his wife took his car keys away or something that got him in a bad mood so he wants to take it out on us with the fake moralizing followed by denials...
JC
Actually, my coworker never shut up. Hours and hours of chatter—loud chatter—gave me headaches. Trying to concentrate? Forget it. An isolation tank looked really attractive after a day with that person.
The trick is knowing which is which...but no strategy, especially "rising above" works in all seasons.
Nice policy for some issue...unfortunately, no one suggested crude and abusive language.
What's your agenda?
It is clear that some on FR resort very quickly to straw man arguments.
What's your agenda?
Have you worked your way down the thread yet? The topic of the thread is someone's disgust at being told to "rise above the fray". I've observed that "the fray" is vulgar and crude.
What's your agenda?
To keep "our side" above the fray.
Because you choose to be. You knew exactly what would happen when you responded the way you did and that’s why you did it. Again, I bet your wife knows exactly what I’m talking about.
I suppose the repeat here means you think I should respond to that. OK, here it is: She knows I have awkward social skills and tend to enter conversations poorly. She also knows I am sincere, honest, and very much concerned for the well-being of our Republic.
The crowd on this thread that has been beating up on me seems assume that I came here only to cause trouble; and, don't take anything I've said in my defense at face value. They also seem to trying to justify in each others mind that it is OK to use abusive discourse just because the other side does it. I think we should be helping each other keep to the high road rather than justifying belligerent behavior in order to blend with the times.
This all makes me think that the fate that appears to be coming to America is well deserved for both sides of the isle.
Can you can prove this? Is it even remotely possible that it is a result of poor wording?
When it is time to kick ass, it is well past time to be talking. In my mind, "kicking ass" is a real shooting civil war. I don't think we've sunk so low yet; therefore, good statesmanship and a civil tongue is still the proper approach.
“What’s your agenda?
To keep “our side” above the fray.”
Your “our side” appears to have a population of one - you, and you have totally obfuscated the intent of the initial post! Your denials are pure crapola...
JC
“Jesus did the same without crude and abusive language.”
Not as I recall the Temple scene where He unleashed his anger and threw the tables over. There is a place for righteous anger.
We have gained, not by being silent, but by getting in their faces and showing them up for the liars and hypocrites they are.
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