Posted on 01/22/2011 10:24:53 AM PST by Bigtigermike
I'm sick and tire some on our side buying into the myth that if we just "rise above the fray" from attacks that are scurrilous and baseless that we will somehow win the arguments against us! That's pure bull!
We are playing right into the hands of the MSM and liberals when we act civil and honorable "according to their rules of acting civil and honorable" which is to shut up and sit down about conservatism and not fight back. The only kind of people that the left and MSM consider honorable are people like Bob Dole and John McCain both of whom lost by not fighting.
Speaking of McCain, notice how 'civil' he was in 2008 "[Senator Obama] is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared about as President of the United States,". There's a difference between rhetoric and record, but you can still be respectful," McCain said to one questioner. "I will point out his record and I will do it with respect."
Did Obama act respectful and civil? Linking President Bush and Senator John McCain as partners in “the failed policies” of the past seven years and criticizing them for “hypocrisy, fear peddling, fear mongering.”? "They're going to try to make you afraid of me. They're going to say you know what, "He's young and inexperienced and he's got a funny name. Did I mention he's black?"
The MSM called McCain's rallies vitriolic and tinged with racism and hateful but said that Obama has run a clean, non-slanderous campaign and deserves respect. He is the one that wishes to address the issues and look how wonderful Obama is, he will help heal the nation.!!!
What happened in 2008 is almost happening in 2011 with the attacks on Sarah over the Tucson attacks; Barack Obama stood back for days and let his supporters in the media and left rip Palin apart, only then to proclaim that we don't really know what happened in Tuscon and let the media narrative was how wonderful Obama is!
But this time Sarah fought back after a few days and only had a few choice towards the media, and the left and media STILL ATTACKED HER OVER IT'!
If all the others here or pundits like Dick Morris or even FOX NEWS are gonna sit around and watch this happen and say "don't do nothing" or be tepid in a response at best then they need a brain analysis. If Conservatives cannot defend themselves over these baseless, libelous charges then they got no business running. period!
Post #7:
Christians need to be out there overturning tables and shouting at people that they're "doing it wrong".
Jesus did the same without crude and abusive language. As a Christian, I'd suggest you try that model.
Post #10 (By ClearCase_guy)
Are you accusing me of using crude and abusive language? How so?
Post #18 (My response to ClearCase_guy)
Are you accusing me of using crude and abusive language?
No, I'm not doing any such thing. It is clear, however, that many who post on FR or engage in political conversations resort very quickly to vulgar and abusive language. I just want to remind people that little exchange of ideas occur that way, and nobody yields in an argument to verbal duress. Fostering hard feelings will not solve the woes faced by our Nation. So, I agree with the original poster just as long as he intends to "push back" with skillful use of language.
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It seems to me that ClearCase_guy took no more offense from that point on, so my explanation very early in the thread seemed to satisfy him. I spent the rest of the time dealing with his self-appointed defenders, none of whom seemed to notice that I had rendered an explanation that I was not scolding, accusing, or otherwise casting disparity upon ClearCase_guy.
I don't see how an apology is in order since the matter was cleared between the two of us long ago.
If you don't like such behavior, you must first quit practicing it. Is that so difficult to grasp?
Otherwise you come across as a hypocrite and no one will take you seriously.
I thought we we talking about the interworkings of places like Congress and our everyday conversations.
I don't recall using harsh language. Can you cite an instance. I'm not talking about avoiding conflict or being overly worried about strong and direct manners of speaking. I am talking about verbal abuse, profanity, vulgarity, personnal insult under the guise of political discourse.
What are you talking about?
That set in pretty early, didn't it? ;-D
Don't shoot the messenger. My message is still good. We won't settle the problems facing our Nation peacefully if we don't work peacefully to do so. When it is clearly to late to work within the system, I'll be right there with you.
Is it like “speaking truth to power”?
"You are just plain wrong on many levels."
Try treating other posters as you want them to behave.
The goal of libtards is to avoid discussion of the issues because they know that they will lose. So they use two techniques to attack conservatives: ad hominem attacks and the fallacy of the argument from intimidation.
Their ad hominem attacks take the form of "conservatives are racist or bigots so their arguments are wrong".
The argument from intimidation is in the form of "only racists or bigots would believe anything that a conservative says".
There's a time for decorum. There's also a time to shout "You Lie" during the President's address.
;-)
In the interim, it's best to pray for wisdom and guidance so one acts appropriately to the situation.
I am guilty of this, and sometimes deliberately so. It is not because I lack the capacity for civil discourse; it is because the time and framework for academic debate and civil discourse have long since passed. The difference is between the language of political debate and the necessarily dehumanizing language of the battlefield. Our opponents are using the latter (and have been for decades); and we are admonished to remain civil.
What would have been the appropriate time for the Jews to resist the NAZIs? When they were lined up at the ovens? When they were shuffling obediently to enter the boxcars? When they were being rousted out of their homes and assembled in the square? When they were forced to wear the Star of David? Kristallnacht?
Or would it, should it, have been several years before all of this, when the "civil discourse" of the day clearly demonstrated that the political dialogue would lead to horrors beyond the human ability to comprehend?
A kinder, gentler genocide is what our opponents propose.
As much as I dislike the use of scripture in political discussions, this bit from Solomon is appropriate. He was considered a pretty smart fellow back in his day.
It is our unpleasant task to foresee what is coming, before hindsight becomes 20/20, and to determine how to honestly and effectively deal with it.
Ecclesiastes 3
1 To everything there is a season,
A time for every purpose under heaven:
2 A time to be born, And a time to die;
A time to plant, And a time to pluck what is planted;
3 A time to kill, And a time to heal;
A time to break down, And a time to build up;
4 A time to weep, And a time to laugh;
A time to mourn, And a time to dance;
5 A time to cast away stones, And a time to gather stones;
A time to embrace, And a time to refrain from embracing;
6 A time to gain, And a time to lose;
A time to keep, And a time to throw away;
7 A time to tear, And a time to sew;
A time to keep silence, And a time to speak;
8 A time to love, And a time to hate;
A time of war, And a time of peace.
“That implication seem clear to me.”
Funny isn’t it that you seem to be the only one who saw it that way?
JC
“Now go read all of my posts again. I did not accuse him of any such thing.”
You did not DIRECTLY accuse him of such, but you strongly implied it! Just as the left did not say Palin pulled the trigger 31 times, they DID say she was responsible and had blood on her hands because of her “inciteful language”. Are you a troll here?
JC
“McCain was trying to ACT civilized in the last election, emphasis on ‘act’.”
You are absolutely correct! “McNasty” had a horrendously vindictive temper and tried to hide it on the campaign trail after getting critism for it. I have never trusted him ever since he showed his true colors in the Lincoln Savings scandal!
JC
No im talking about playing by their rules of civil discourse which is to say don’t accuse Obama of hurting this country by his actions, it’s silly to try to repeal ObamaCare etc......
Thank you PJT!
GingisK wants to stop the march until all us common rabble learn how to march in step to his drummer!
JC
“I hear extreme vulgarity at work, and I see it posted on Facebook pages. This is precisely why I posted my admonition...”
Seems to me you saw some crap outside of this site, and started accusing posters here of the same thing without any justification. That is just flat wrong, and you should be ashamed of yourself. Someone said it correctly earlier, that YOU are the reason this thread has turned acrimonious!
JC
Did you not attack Bigtigermike with your first post?
Uh, no. I spoke against his ideas, not him personnally. Are we supposed to just agree with each other on this forum, or can we take issue?
One of the biggest problems with people these days is that they consider most anything a personnal attack, including taking issue with waht they say. By the way, I didn't see Bigtigermike enter into discussion with me.
So, if I don't see something like everyone sees it, I'm a bad guy? I don't have good herding instincts, and that is a fact.
Mike, I couldn’t agree more!
Either we fight or we take it in the shorts, I’m in no mood for another BOHICA election!
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