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To: Danae

Doesn’t quite answer my question, but thanks for all of the info.

What I’d like to see is a fresh copy directly from HDOH of the COLB (short form) which is on Factcheck.

I’d like to see if HDOH would deny a request for something that is already in the public domain. IMO, HDOH can’t claim a privacy issue if they’ve already released it.

My hunch is, that a freshly released COLB would not match up in content to the one on Factcheck.

My next hunch is, that HDOH would attempt to deny the request, further raising questions in the media and blogosphere about the fake COLB on Factcheck and Kos.

If HDOH were to say “sorry we can’t release the short form COLB due to privacy issues”, it could indicate that HDOH never released the COLB which is posted Factcheck - which would serve to prove that it’s fake.


107 posted on 01/22/2011 8:53:29 PM PST by Velveeta
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To: Velveeta

The only one who can order that would be Obama or a family member of his.

It does not matter if the currect document is real and factual. Hawaii isn’t ever going to look at it that way. Once it leaves their office they are not responsible for it or where it shows up. They do not consider that.

Only Obama can release the records, and he won’t because he can’t.


111 posted on 01/23/2011 9:26:58 AM PST by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais is beatha do cheal deanaimh)
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To: Velveeta

The HDOH has received and denied so many requests for that, that they tried to pass a law basically undoing Hawaii’s open records law because they said they were very “vexed” by so many requests.

They won’t even disclose a non-certified copy of Obama’s COLB, even though their Administrative Rules allow it and UIPA thus REQUIRES it.

There are at least 4 different reasons that their UIPA law allows disclosure of the records they are insisting on denying - since

1) a non-certified copy of the COLB was always supposed to be discloseable, according HRS 338-18a which deferred to HDOH Administrative Rules that allowed disclosure;

2) once there was a “scintilla of public interest” in even confidential records, that interest outweighed any privacy protections

3) once Obama claimed to publish it, there was no longer any privacy issue at all;

4) once the HDOH made a public announcement about it, UIPA then REQUIRED the documents to be disclosed on request, even if there had been legitimate privacy concerns.

Hawaii officials are totally lying about their laws, over and over and over again. They have been told the reasons their claims are wrong, over and over and over again.

The only way to end this garbage is to have a state require the real goods, in a setting where people will be liable for perjury if they keep lying like this. That’s why passing an effective state eligibility law is so important right now.


113 posted on 01/23/2011 10:38:49 AM PST by butterdezillion
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