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AZ shootings = Kirov murder = Reichstag fire?
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Posted on 01/13/2011 12:04:50 PM PST by bassmaner

When I first heard about how quickly the Left jumped at the chance to blame conservatives for the AZ shootings, I thought of the Reichstag fire in Berlin in 1933 and the murder of Sergei Kirov in Leningrad in 1934. To this day, the truth about these 2 events has never completely been discovered, but in both cases, they served as pretexts for bloody purges of political opposition by totalitarian dictators.

We have no way to prove whether a similar event happened here, but IMO, there are some coincidences. How, for example, was this clearly disturbed shooter able to procure a firearm so easily? What happened to the 2nd 'person of interest'?

Maybe this sounds somewhat tin-foily, but given the way the modern Left operates it wouldn't surprise me a bit that someone may have been manipulating Loughner to create an 'event' that they'd be able to capitalize on. Last night's 'pep rally' really seemed contrived, perhaps even more so than the Wellstone memorial fiasco.


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KEYWORDS: giffords; hitler; obama; stalin
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Thoughts anyone?
1 posted on 01/13/2011 12:04:54 PM PST by bassmaner
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To: bassmaner

Doubtful but the left is certainly taking advantage like they perpetrated it.


2 posted on 01/13/2011 12:08:03 PM PST by Weird Tolkienish Figure
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To: bassmaner

Well Leonid Nikolayev and Marinus van der Lubbe were both nutjobs as well.


3 posted on 01/13/2011 12:08:05 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Jubtabulously We Thrive!)
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To: bassmaner

I think this bunch is sharp enough to try, but not sharp enough to pull it off.

As to the second “person of interest,” he was just a cabbie getting change. I don’t know if he brought the nut with the gun or not, but he was innocent, AFAIK.


4 posted on 01/13/2011 12:09:17 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (We conservatives will always lose elections as long as we allow the MSM to choose our candidates.)
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To: bassmaner
How, for example, was this clearly disturbed shooter able to procure a firearm so easily?

Uh, because the nitwit sheriff was too busy bashing Republicans to prosecute the perp for death threats that would have gotten him marked on a Brady check?

What happened to the 2nd 'person of interest'?

He was a cab driver who drove the perp to the Safeway.

This was clearly a lone nut. Let's not indulge in the same kind of baseless speculation that the left is engaged in.

5 posted on 01/13/2011 12:09:42 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: bassmaner

They certainly are pushing the “Palin, Beck and Limbaugh are the real murders” nonsense into the “conventional wisdom” universe that progressives are so fond of and with which they have been so sucessful over the years.


6 posted on 01/13/2011 12:11:34 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: bassmaner
What happened to the 2nd 'person of interest'?

He's a taxi driver.
7 posted on 01/13/2011 12:12:26 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: JimSEA
They certainly are pushing the “Palin, Beck and Limbaugh are the real murders” nonsense into the “conventional wisdom” universe that progressives are so fond of and with which they have been so sucessful over the years.

Right out of the Hitler/Stalin playbook.

8 posted on 01/13/2011 12:12:51 PM PST by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: bassmaner

A 21st century ‘Reichstag fire’ will be harder to pull off because of the massive amounts of INSTANT information on the internet,talk radio and television.

The left are patient:

1)will demonize the GOP over the horrible economy in 2011-2012

2)Try to retake congress in 2012 with NO MORE Tuscon’s slogan and a very wounded congresswoman used as a political prop.

3)Once they take congress, enact fairness Doctrine and clamp down on the internet in the name of stopping the hate.

When they control the information process,Then the left can push for their Reichstag fire that they will actually create.

JMO...


9 posted on 01/13/2011 12:13:15 PM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: dirtboy

Agreed, The left had a prewritten script but they didn’t have anything to do with the shooting.


10 posted on 01/13/2011 12:13:40 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: bassmaner

The shooter was a deranged nutcase. End of story. No one directed him to do anything. Although some on the left are no doubt pleased with the outcome, they did not have anything to do with it.


11 posted on 01/13/2011 12:17:29 PM PST by JPG (YES SHE CAN!)
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To: bassmaner

No need to worry. MSN now reporting he lost it after his break up with Sarah Palin.


12 posted on 01/13/2011 12:18:15 PM PST by Augustinian monk (NAFTA/GATT- How 's that free trade thingy workin out, America?)
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To: JimSEA

Hmmmmmmm.....didn’t seem so successful last November.


13 posted on 01/13/2011 12:18:50 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Hail To The Fail-In-Chief)
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To: bassmaner

Ask Jared Loughner. He might know.


14 posted on 01/13/2011 12:19:23 PM PST by evets (beer)
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To: bassmaner

No.
But you can bet your life that idiots like Pete King have bills (and speeches) in their desk drawers just WAITING for opportunities like this.


15 posted on 01/13/2011 12:19:49 PM PST by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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and does anyone yet know what happened to the intern that died in a fire in her car in her garage???? hmmmm


16 posted on 01/13/2011 12:19:54 PM PST by GoCards (Why me? Why not me?)
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To: cripplecreek

Yes, the MSM and liberals launched right into blaming military and violent imagery used by Republicans (and ignoring any such examples of use by Democrats) to drive home the point.

I was shocked at the tone of news coverage and talking heads over the weekend. Very little discussion or remorse was shown about the deceased and the others fighting for life. Most of the discussion was about Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, violent metaphors, and only the conservatives were said to invoke such violent symbolism.

Then facts come out that this shooter was mentally deranged, non-political, and not influenced by talk radio or the political climate at all.

But the facts don’t matter to the liberals. There will be no apologies for politicizing this tragedy.


17 posted on 01/13/2011 12:22:59 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Augustinian monk
No need to worry. MSN now reporting he lost it after his break up with Sarah Palin.

In the old "Bloom County" comic, Bill the Cat shot up the neighborhood after getting a "Dear John" letter from Jeane Kilpatrick.

18 posted on 01/13/2011 12:23:24 PM PST by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: bassmaner

This loon had been obsessed with Gabby for a while. It’s not that hard to get a gun in this country even with all the silly laws. The “person of interest” was his cab driver who talked to the cops when he found out he was the person of interest. And meanwhile there haven’t been any purges bloody or otherwise.

Lone nuts happen.


19 posted on 01/13/2011 12:28:50 PM PST by discostu (this is defninitely not my confused face)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Overall you are likely correct but Nevada still has Sen. Harry Reid and the Senate is still in the hands of the Democrats even though Americans hated what they did.


20 posted on 01/13/2011 12:28:57 PM PST by JimSEA
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