Need help refuting some communist talking points

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So Im in the middel of a debate between a group of left wing commies Very hard core I might add. The debate was touched off after a friend of mine from California who was a homeschooling mother of 3 kids came under attack by the commies. It was started off by an evil woman named vampiressontheprowlq who is known for calling freedom a form of fascism and advocating the destruction of America on youtube with her girlfriend and lover.

Here are some excerpts of the filth I have recieved...

Ray Bradbury wrote "Fahrenheit 451", from fresh thoughts in his mind's eye, just after the horrors of WWII, as a commentary on Nazi Germany's Far Right Conservative "Free Market Fascist" Anti-Democratic Authoritarian Nationalist Militaristic privatized society, its sadistic Inequality & Social Darwinist "Survival of the Fittest"--Healthiest/Strongest­­­/­Wealthy Successful Producers" rewarded for Business Profiteering from suffering in Nazi Germany's privatized, Deregulated Market Oppression of Labor Unions, Ethnic Minorities, Immigrants, Leftists/Socialists & Intellectuals (who love books), Civil Rights/Liberties, Free Speech & Free Expression.

"Fahrenheit 451" was NOT a commentary on Big Govt Welfare NWO "Big Brother" "Political Correctness" Tyranny or Totalitarian USSR.

Bradbury even confirms what i say, in the foreword of his book & several interviews!

. . . the Soviet Union did not ever burn books. only Nazi regime burned books in Europe in the 20th century (and Conservative Traditional-Culture rural Christian extremists, Southern Racist Rednecks, Slave-owning Plantation Landowners in 1600s-1900s America, Europe 11-14th centuries & Crusades burned books)

but only Nazis in 20th century.

. . . Soviet Union did not ever burn books.

. . . nor did Eastern Bloc Socialist countries during the Cold War.

. . . nor has S. Amer. or European Democratic Leftist "Socialist" country ever burned books.

VampiressOnDaProwlq 1 week ago

This was followed by a rebuttal then an attack by a friend of hers who is known to be an anti american activist and marxist.

As has been repeated to you here already, the Soviets may have censored material but they were not the burners of books. And then you just went off on some meaningless slander. If you're home schooling, you should be arrested for child abuse. As is typical, homeschooling usually just means that the unqualified and ignorant are creating more of the same, it's so sad, your children disserve a REAL education from people who actually know what they are talking about. Stalin, He was certainly no angel and was responsible for the purges of the military and party, but to try an allege that he killed more than Hitler is a bad joke. All you can do is try and use bad numbers and natural events beyond the control of the gov't and then you must still also inflate the numbers. If the same accounting methods are used to examine capitalism that are used to try and indict Stalin than capitalism itself comes out the bigger killer Postwar demographics alone make nonsense of the claim. Eastern Europe was no more enslaved than Latin America in the same period under US-style anti-communism. If anything soviet style socialism was far less bloody than those American nations unfortunate enough to be in the US cold war sphere. As to low wages in China I know of no Asian regime that pays its workers a living wage. Sweeping generalizations are so easy to make, like macaroni and cheese from a box. Just add water. Right, mom? What a joke, there had ALWAYS been great famines in Russia even before it was communist. The market cannot address famines because the people in the famine regions lack the resources to acquire food from any sort of market. The 'Market' doesn't matter in such cases. And socialists do not deny that there was a famine in the Ukraine but like many historians we can look beyond the foolish propaganda of the Rightists trying to blame it all on socialism. would just like to point out that I and a number of other scholars have shown conclusively that the famine of 1931-1933 was by no means limited to Ukraine, was not a "man-made" or artificial famine in the sense that she and other devotees of the Ukrainian famine argument assert, and was not a genocide in any conventional sense of the term Mark B. Tauger, "The 1932 Harvest and the Soviet Famine of 1932-1933," Slavic Review v. 50 no. 1, Spring 1991, 70-89, and my exchanges of letters with Robert Conquest over this article, Slavic Review v. 51 no. 1, 192-194 and v. 53 no. 1, 318-319.

Mark B. Tauger, Natural Disaster and Human Actions in the Soviet Famine of 1931-1933, Carl Beck Papers in Russian and East European Studies, no. 1506, June 2001

Libertarians believe that the only rights that really matters are property rights, that inviolate private property is the only true measure of freedom. And so if you don't have any, too bad, let them find somebody else's property to complain on. They require perfection as the only applicable standard to judge government: libertarianism, being imaginary, cannot be fairly judged to have flaws. It is the philosophy that has and is underlying the elitist dictatorships around the world You know nothing about history. The private sector only sees to its own not the needs of the people in general. It has been barred out that laissez faire only increases the gap between the Rich and the poor. That was the case before the depression of '29. By 1929, the richest 1 percent will own 40 percent of the nation's wealth. The bottom 93 percent will have experienced a 4 percent drop in real disposable per-capita income And so it has become similar thanks to the 'free-market' crap pushed on us since Reagan and Greenspan's libertarian fantasies. And property is NOT freedom. Libertarians foolishly only think that property rights bring freedom, buts it's just too bad if you can't get any property and are therefore enslaved to those that can afford property. It is a philosophy of greed A 'free-market' 'small gov't' state is a corporate fascist state where the corporations can do what they wish because there is no governmental power to restrain them. Filling the power vacuum left by eviscerated gov't they become the gov't. Libertarianism is fascist Social Darwinist rule of money, those with the most money can do whatever they wish while the working people suffer without assistance victimized by a market they cannot control Libertarians are nazis. Communist countries have seen the greatest and fastest growth in their standard of living. Communism brought Russia out of a backward existence and made it a world power in little more than a generation. And in the Soviet Union that did not know poverty we now see it explode and the life expectancy drastically decline.

really then could you inform us how you would allow books you disagree with to be printed and how would you maintain your power if your ideology became the 'rule of law". Capitalism is about Greed and the Nazis loved capitalists.Volkswagen would not have existed without them. Capitalism is an evil disgusting beast that if it cannot be killed at least it should be chained so that it's most evil aspects are stopped.You are one sick perverted individual but typical of your kind

This continued on an on and then they demanded I quote from books by scholars which is what brings me here. I need some good literary works and material to fight back against this socialist dog crap online preferably. Also feel free to join in if you have a youtube account.

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Historical footnote:
In the 50s, the US FDA ordered all books by Wilhelm Reich burned and otherwise destroyed... subsequently banned from publication for the next 25 years.

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(it's an oldie but a goody)