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Nothing about population density, illegal aliens, birth rates, etc...

The comments following the article made more sense to me than did the article itself.

1 posted on 12/16/2010 5:21:54 PM PST by Radix
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and nothing about research and development which is costly.
There is a big difference in having a baby and having open heart surgery... I’ll stick with the US for that lol


2 posted on 12/16/2010 5:26:37 PM PST by estrogen (2012 can't come soon enough)
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nary a mention of malpractice attorneys


5 posted on 12/16/2010 5:32:31 PM PST by j.argese (Boycott Nevada.)
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It seems like a media rite of obligation to regularly file these I-was-struck-sick-while-abroad-and-it-was-perfect-compared- to-America-stories.

The libbies love their little anecdotes don't they.

6 posted on 12/16/2010 5:32:48 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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Excuse me Mr. Smith but you have no right to use government as an agent of force to steal the product of my labor to subsidize your health care. And who exactly gets to decide if doctors are living a “too luxurious lifestyle?”


7 posted on 12/16/2010 5:33:45 PM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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Nothing about population density, illegal aliens, birth rates, etc...

number on welfare, social history of younger family taking care of older, Social stigma of reliance on others...

9 posted on 12/16/2010 5:37:20 PM PST by DWar ("The ultimate destination of Political Correctness is totalitarianism.")
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This is total BS! I lived in Japan for 10 years and got stuck in the ‘system’. Was paying (in year 2000) $800 a month for myself and another $600 a month for my wife and child. This was pro rated for my income level, about $50k USD. Treatment was superficial and behind the times. Doctors hadn’t cracked a book or learned a thing since they took their finals, sometimes 50 years before. After 5pm, there were NO doctors available, anywhere. Go to a clinic or hospital and a person in a while coat would look at you. In the evenings, your insurance card was not accepted. Cold cash, baby, was the only thing that talked. Usually 10,000 yen (about a hundred bucks) per evening visit. You ALWAYS have to ask, if they will treat a gaijin. Many wouldn’t.
Dentists were the worst! I have seen one dentist working on 4 people lined up in chairs, and not washing his hands as he went from one to the other.
I still have a photograph, somewhere, of the front door of the largest hospital in Tokyo and family members were CARRYING an old lady in her wheelchair up the steps because there were no ramps for the handicapped.
We are in the best of all countries. Don’t believe otherwise!


10 posted on 12/16/2010 5:39:41 PM PST by ArtDodger (Reread Animal Farm (with your kids))
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Japan has a far lower infant mortality rate, women are half as likely to die when giving birth and everyone there can expect to easily live four years longer than we do.

Anyone who failed to turn in a homework paper or show up for an exam in school knows what a zero will do to your average.

My understanding is that Japan and many other nations have lower infant mortality because the death of premature infants are not recorded as deaths.

I also believe Japan and a number of European nations do not record infant deaths that occur for some period of months after a normal 9 month gestation period.

Meanwhile in the US, a few dead premature babies sure pulls down the average age of a room full of 90 year olds.

11 posted on 12/16/2010 5:39:51 PM PST by fso301
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Japan has a far lower infant mortality rate, women are half as likely to die when giving birth and everyone there can expect to easily live four years longer than we do.

Anyone who failed to turn in a homework paper or show up for an exam in school knows what a zero will do to your average.

My understanding is that Japan and many other nations have lower infant mortality because the death of premature infants are not recorded as deaths.

I also believe Japan and a number of European nations do not record infant deaths that occur for some period of months after a normal 9 month gestation period.

Meanwhile in the US, a few dead premature babies sure pulls down the average age of a room full of 90 year olds.

12 posted on 12/16/2010 5:40:04 PM PST by fso301
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My daughter-in-law is Japanese, living here now. We’ve talked about their medical care compared to here. She says they are only about 1/2 socialized and 1/2 non and it works well for them. But they don’t have illegal aliens eating up resources, or trial lawyers, etc....things like that that we contend with here.


13 posted on 12/16/2010 5:40:43 PM PST by YellowRoseofTx (Evil is not the opposite of God; it's the absence of God)
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We are a mongrel country, made up of different religions and ethnic groups and many foreign born citizens.

Japan is different. Things that will work there won't necessarily work here. - tom

14 posted on 12/16/2010 5:43:49 PM PST by Capt. Tom
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Adam Smith:
You are liar and given to writing synthetic narratives.


15 posted on 12/16/2010 5:43:49 PM PST by Vendome
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And you are an ignorant schmuck devoid of any knowledge or barest of lame curiosity.


17 posted on 12/16/2010 5:45:51 PM PST by Vendome
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Nurses hung clothes out to dry???

I’ve heard enough.

Also if you doubled every doctor’s salary/income in the country, it would be a miniscule percentage of US healthcare spending.

This writer is an idiot.


18 posted on 12/16/2010 5:47:48 PM PST by dervish (I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself)
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One thing we have the Japanese beat at- allowing tens of millions of illegal aliens to sneak into our country, breed, and we act like it is our duty to educate them and give them welfare and healthcare

Oh, that and carrying tens of millions of people descended from slaves freed 150 years ago who still consider themselves victims, hold a grudge against values like education, competition based on ability and hard work, and expect reparations

Maybe if all the illegal aliens and “under-served” perpetual victim classes dumped the chips on their shoulders, worked like the Japanese, respected authority and this nation, and expected their kids to respect authority, prepare for work, and perform in school like the Japanese - we'd be able to really talk about being more like Japan

19 posted on 12/16/2010 5:48:02 PM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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Japan is a HOMOGENIOUS society. 99.9% of the population is Japanese and they are all OLD AS HELL!. Their birth rate is well below replacement and they do not allow immigration. Japan is the model for how to ruin and lose a society in almost all respects.

By the way they are also broke as hell and owe more than twice their GDP. IT is expected to reach 250% by 2015.

20 posted on 12/16/2010 5:50:27 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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It also puts a burden on hospitals, which have trouble making ends meet. So they cut corners on things like buying new wallpaper and painting old walls. They also stay as long as possible in really old, dreary buildings.

I'll give them that. Hospitals "complexes" seem to be the only construction that is happening in my neck of the woods. They look like great huge temples.

22 posted on 12/16/2010 5:52:34 PM PST by glorgau
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Name me a SINGLE prefecture, city, or town in ALL of Japan in which foreigners without HouKenShyou (insurance papers) account for MOST births...!

You're out of your MIND if you think this exists --indeed there is no place in the whole country where such births amount to even 10% of all births. The Japanese system does have a growing number of retirees sure, but they don't give the TINIEST sign of running a 30-ton tank packed full of illegal aliens across that rickety bridge.

Not in a million years.

There was a time 2 years ago during fire season where EVERY person in ALL burn units in ALL of Southern California were uninsured illegal aliens --the bill for treating EVERY one was born by Calif tax payers and each one was 1/2 a million dollars.

There are cases of Thai bar hostesses being thrown off 4th floor by Yakuza and then being driven for HOURS from hosp 2 hosp for emergency care but being refused by ALL --and then dying. The concept of inside vs. outside in Japan is focused on like a laser, and is never confused. Indeed, it almost a religion. Not only that, but the sense of community responsibility is far higher, and mostly for racial reasons.

It is lunacy for the author to suggest that practices viable for Japan could work in the USA --he is foolish.

It's worth asking; why have stupid communist systems lasted until even now in Asian cultures? They WILL eventually go aware, sure, but what accounts for their persistance in asia?

Is it some accident?

24 posted on 12/16/2010 5:54:38 PM PST by gaijin
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Maybe this works better in the homogenous culture that is japan. There are elements of other countries’ attempts to deal with health care that are fine, but their overall products when everything is factored in, aren’t good.

Bottom line that will start reforming things is to allow individuals to buy a healthcare plan that is theirs, just like every other insurance or service plan

We ought to call them “Health Service Plans” or “Health Maintenance Plans” rather than insurance, too. Insurance is to minimize risk of the unexpected. People want a service or maintenance plan for something they intend to use - accidents or not. Nobody plans to use their auto insurance because they decide one morning they are going to get into an accident. People do however plan to go to the doctor, or get pregnant, or get yearly checkups, etc and therefore that’s not insurance, it’s a service plan or maintenance plan type of item.

we are so screwed up in this country about health insurance. So screwed up. I have no confidence it will ever properly be addressed. The Republicans have no balls and the democrats are evil bastards.


27 posted on 12/16/2010 6:06:32 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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Also since his example is about maternity care he should point out that it isn’t covered by their system. Most people pay about $15,000 out of pocket to have a baby. the govereenment kicks back about $5,000 a few weeeks later (if the kid survices, no money for dead babies).


30 posted on 12/16/2010 6:23:48 PM PST by djwright (2012 The White House Gets Another Coat Of Shellac)
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My family lived in Japan for 14 years. Our youngest was born there. You may have noticed during the ObamaCare debate, nobody brought up Japan's health care system as a model to emulate. There is a reason for that. One of those reasons is that everyone is expected to pay something for their medical care, even those using the public option. The libtards wouldn't stand for that!

Yes, illegal aliens get treated in Japan's system. But it is because some doctor or some hospital takes pity on them and treats them gratis, not because it is an invented "right." You can afford to do that when you don't have tons of them flooding the system as we do in Mexifornia and other places in the United States. At one point in our history, we could afford to be generous just like the Japanese.

Another thing libtards don't tell you about the Japanese system is that lawsuits are extremely rare. So are lawyers. We have more lawyers in downtown Los Angeles than in all of Japan. When people do collect damages from hospitals and doctors in Japan, there are generally real issues involved and the amounts are limited to the actual damages. How do you think our Trial Lawyer's lobby who contribute so much cash to the Democrats would like those apples?

Finally, you are expected to do a lot of the work yourself such as recording your bowel movements, minor clean up and the like. If you are too sick to do it, you are expected to provide a family member to stay with you. When my youngest was born in Japan, we didn't have a family member available, so the hospital had us hire an orderly to do this work. She was an older lady, competent at the job but, from the way she talked, I guessed she wasn't well educated. Her fee was also quite reasonable, about $80 per day she was with my wife in the hospital.

Yes, the accomodations weren't nearly as nice as for our first two daughters born stateside, but we checked out of the hospital with a healthy baby girl and a bill which I was able to pay out of savings rather than paying on for months and months afterward.

Oh, and one other thing which would make the Libtard's heads explode. Many of the bigger hospitals have a wide range of choices in accomodations, ranging from very basic Spartan style rooms which are priced slightly more than a capsule hotel on the way up to luxury suites which are priced like a luxury hotel. Hospitals actually use these type of things to compete for patients because there is no shortage of doctors in Japan and no shortage of hospital beds. They actually view patients as customers necessary for their success rather than as mandates imposed by the government.

31 posted on 12/16/2010 6:34:29 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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