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To: esoxmagnum
The use of foreign child labor is also a point that I do not like, but Apple defends it.

Incidentally, esox, that claim is TOTALLY FALSE! You jumped to a FUD conclusion! Apple was the only US company to audit employment conditions at it's contractors in China and included the prohibition of child labor in it's standard contracts... And the article you linked was an article written in response to Apple's action they took against one of their subcontractors they found in violation of their contract who WAS using underage workers in violation of Apple's contract with them! Apple was NOT defending the use of child labor; they were spearheading the international effort against it.

Again you are wrong! Even the comments on your link criticized the misrepresentations and pointed out that Apple had done the audit itself! Try reading and researching a bit more deeply before you assign blame.

Following Apple's example and lead, more and more US companies are incorporating workers' rights in their contract requirements.

79 posted on 12/21/2010 2:28:35 AM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Swordmaker

Apple got caught, and decided that the damage was too great to not change its business practice. It was pure damage control.

Prove they didn’t use child labor or unfair labor practices. That burden is on you and Apple, and statements from the boardroom don’t quite cut it.

It was well documented that the companies they were using were using child labor for years. Apple knew the companies they were using did use child labor, but were insured that those companies were not using child labor while manufacturing THEIR products. Uh huh.. Sure thing there. Only a fanboi would believe that. Oh yeah, that’s right.

Give me your proof, that all those reports were wrong. Besides the Apple statements.

Apple knew exactly what they were doing. The biggest embarrassment was that they got caught, and had a contractual get out jail free card. You know, the old “wink wink” and if you use child labor “wink wink” we will disavow any knowledge of it. Why use a sub-contractor that is known to use child-labor, and then expect that they won’t use it on your products? Of course, because they didn’t care. All they cared about was getting caught.

How about making products here in the US instead of taking a hefty near 30% profit margin?

You are on the wrong side of this if you are supporting a liberal US hating company, who farms out to China and uses child-labor. But we know you do.

FUD? Boy, you and your monikers love that word don’t you? I’ve never seen it used so many times except by you and the fanbois.

Did Apple release that word in a document, telling you when in an argument, fight all claims with the acronym FUD? Sure is a lot of FUD going around about Apple isn’t there. Maybe where there is smoke there is fire. Is everything Apple screws up FUD? Just amazing.


82 posted on 12/21/2010 2:53:09 AM PST by esoxmagnum
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To: Swordmaker

“Apple was the only US company to audit employment conditions at it’s contractors in China and included the prohibition of child labor in it’s standard contracts”

Really? Out of all the thousands of companies that do business in China, Apple is the only one?

You are reaching here, you know that. Almost all companies do, and have been since before Cathy Lee got caught doing the same thing.

The ONLY company. Wow. Just wow. Have you audited every single company in the US? Amazing that you believe this tripe.

But then again, is there anything Apple tells you that you DON’T believe?

I challenge you to name me ONE single thing, that you DON’T believe from a release from Apple. That would be telling as to if you are zealot, brainwashed, a fanboi or even impartial and fair.

You sound like the Obama-bots. EVERYTHING HE DOES IS TRUE, EVERYTHING HE SAYS IS TRUE. EVERYTHING HE DOES IS JUST..... WELL.... DREAMY....


83 posted on 12/21/2010 2:57:29 AM PST by esoxmagnum
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