Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

To: esoxmagnum
I'm not going to get into most of this because it has little to do with me, but,

And as far as not targeting the enviro-weenies, oh no, they don’t do that either.... ... Here, they tout themselves as the GREENEST of notebooks:

That was a reaction to Greenpeace. Greenpeace was continually trashing Apple in the press over supposedly poor environmental practices. This was mainly because Apple wasn't bragging about anything environmental while all the PC OEMs paid a lot of lip service and wrote a lot of BS to Greenpeace. Apple finally succumbed to the pressure, publicizing the environmentally friendly aspects of their products.

"Apple has been criticized by some environmental organizations for not being a leader in removing toxic chemicals from its new products, and for not aggressively or properly recycling its old products. ... It is generally not Apple’s policy to trumpet our plans for the future; we tend to talk about the things we have just accomplished. Unfortunately this policy has left our customers, shareholders, employees and the industry in the dark ... So today we’re changing our policy." -- Steve Jobs
First, everything they release, originally, sucks.

There was an article on this a while back about how Apple operates like a startup, which is what gives the flexibility often lost by large corporations. For these products, Apple is more interested in getting the idea out there first to see if it catches on. If it does, then Apple can shift engineering resources to the project to make it better. Apple doesn't highly staff all of the teams, so people are shifted around like this as needed. Given Apple's objectively huge level of market-changing success, I think it's working.

The first music storage devices? My daughter had one of the originals, it would not work with our PC’s

Duh, the first iPods were Mac-only. I don't buy PC-only products for my Mac, and I don't buy Mac-only products for my PC. What a concept.

Guess what Apple did, they made a deal with Gates to supply the office portion to Apple, because it was far superior.<>/i

Faulty history, MS Word first went WYSIWYG on the Mac in 1985 and from then on reigned as the preferred word processor for the Mac. Before that it was by no means a superior DOS product. It didn't even hit Windows until years later.

I remember all the Apple heads talking about how the Intel chipsets sucked, and Apple had a far superior product. Test after test showed different results. So what did Apple do? They went with Intel.

Very simplistic. For one, the x86 architecture does suck, and the PowerPC architecture is far better, not as tied to the past. The x86 is literally just a set of extensions on the 8-bit 8080 from the 1970s. In contrast the PowerPC has its history in IBM's effort to make the highest performance chip possible, resulting in the POWER processor for the RS/6000 server in 1990. It was even designed from the beginning to support 64-bit.

But that is merely theoretical in the face of business realities. The other fact is that at times the PowerPC in Macs was far more powerful than the fastest PCs. This was especially true in the late Pentium III and early Pentium 4 era. Then it became a lot slower as Moto/IBM refused to put resources into making the PPC line faster. Then the PPC was faster again with the 970, but again IBM refused to put in the resources to make it faster, and it ran way too hot for Jobs' portable view of the future (for a while Apple was the only major OEM to have liquid cooling in the G5). PPC was no longer an attractive option. Apple's suppliers simply didn't want to put the money into R&D when selling only Apple's numbers. Intel was killing them on economy of scale.

The kicker was Intel dropping the horrendously inefficient Pentium 4 architecture, going to more efficient Core line. That is what Apple switched to. And now that Apple is using the x64 architecture (much better than x86) and is not using the BIOS (that piece of 16-bit 80s tech in your PC), things are pretty sweet. However, notice the large concentration in the highly efficient ARM architecture lately.

I think politically, they suck, I think they market to the left, they support the left,

Go ahead, buy Microsoft, support Planned Parenthood. Yep, Bill Gates is a big lefty too, and loves to give generously to lefty causes. Most of Silicon Valley fought against Proposition 8. If you avoid tech companies because of politics, you'll be living in the stone age.

My point is that it's okay to criticize. But it helps if you have your facts straight first so it doesn't look like you're going on an ignorant rant.

75 posted on 12/20/2010 10:15:58 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 70 | View Replies ]


To: antiRepublicrat; esoxmagnum
My point is that it's okay to criticize. But it helps if you have your facts straight first so it doesn't look like you're going on an ignorant rant.

Esoxmagnum IS going on repeated ignorant rants, and has demonstrated his total belief in the MYTHS and revisionist history he has bought into and prefers to live in denial of the facts those of us who really KNOW the facts are trying to provide for him. Instead he calls us deluded liars. . . and then he proceeds to pile on more of his mis-information and ignorance. I don't think he really knows how foolish it makes him appear. It's sad.

76 posted on 12/21/2010 12:37:15 AM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 75 | View Replies ]

To: antiRepublicrat

“Go ahead, buy Microsoft”

Microsoft is in your lovely Mac.

And maybe I’m slow on the uptake, but Microsoft is not a computer maker.

Thats the great thing about PC’s. You can run whatever you want in them.

Tell me again why Mac is superior to PC?

“Faulty history, MS Word first went WYSIWYG on the Mac in 1985 and from then on reigned as the preferred word processor for the Mac. Before that it was by no means a superior DOS product. It didn’t even hit Windows until years later.”

From 1997 MacExpo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Apple_Inc.

“If we want to move forward and see Apple healthy and prospering again, we have to let go of a few things here. We have to let go of this notion that for Apple to win, Microsoft has to lose. We have to embrace a notion that for Apple to win, Apple has to do a really good job. And if others are going to help us that’s great, because we need all the help we can get, and if we screw up and we don’t do a good job, it’s not somebody else’s fault, it’s our fault. So I think that is a very important perspective. If we want Microsoft Office on the Mac, we better treat the company that puts it out with a little bit of gratitude; we like their software. “

“Duh, the first iPods were Mac-only. I don’t buy PC-only products for my Mac, and I don’t buy Mac-only products for my PC. What a concept.”

The Shuffle was sold as PC compatible. Problem was, you were forced to enroll in all of Apples spy crap, forced to register all of your current content, and were manged into the iTunes store. Yes, you could disable this... EVERYTIME you plugged in your device, but then it would force you to reinstall the stuff again, if your device was plugged in. Typical Apple nonsense.

“Bill Gates is a big lefty too”

Yup, but Microsoft is not listed as the 2nd most liberal company in the United States, and once again, Microsoft doesn’t make PC’s. In any event, two wrongs don’t make a right. Comparing your favorite company with another company to justify its actions is a bit over the top.


78 posted on 12/21/2010 2:19:57 AM PST by esoxmagnum
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 75 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson