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Why do we hate modern classical music?
The Guardian ^ | 11/28/2010 | Alex Ross

Posted on 11/30/2010 1:33:53 PM PST by mojito

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To: gdzla

Mozart was primarily a lyrical composer. Beethoven, on the other hand, was not a great melodist. You wouldn’t call his music bad I trust.


41 posted on 11/30/2010 1:56:40 PM PST by Borges
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To: JRandomFreeper

>Wagner, but unfortunately, not forgotten

Why unfortunately, the man was a genius, such stirring and monumental works.

A Giant.


42 posted on 11/30/2010 1:57:51 PM PST by swarthyguy (KIDS! Deficit, Debt,Taxes! Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -America is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I’ve really tried to like zappa. I mean really hard. I just can’t.

Well, with the exception of Dynamo Hum and Montana.


43 posted on 11/30/2010 1:58:23 PM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: r9etb

Yep.

Reminds me of the PBS commercial where the 5 or 6 birds land on the power lines and the ‘composer’ makes symphony out of it.

Sounded like crap.


44 posted on 11/30/2010 1:58:36 PM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: mojito; Borges

Try The Night of the Mayans by a contemporary Mexican composer.


45 posted on 11/30/2010 1:59:27 PM PST by swarthyguy (KIDS! Deficit, Debt,Taxes! Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -America is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: mojito

I have always suspected that modern composers, knowing that they could never approach the level of the old masters, decided to go in the opposite direction. As a result, their works sound like chimps banging on a keyboard.


46 posted on 11/30/2010 1:59:53 PM PST by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: Bigh4u2

Very very few compositions of the new stuff lasts.

Perhaps the yianni at the accropois

perhaps the arkenstone into the wind because it is used so much.

but most all modern “stuff” has the skill of pong video game sounds.


47 posted on 11/30/2010 2:00:56 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: mojito

What a stupid article. Most movie scores are “Classical” music and there are some real good ones. But, Country Music rules!


48 posted on 11/30/2010 2:01:36 PM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: numberonepal

He meant Art music that’s written for the concert hall.


49 posted on 11/30/2010 2:02:36 PM PST by Borges
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To: MrEdd

Dang I shoulda read down a bit.


50 posted on 11/30/2010 2:03:31 PM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: RobRoy
I actually like a lot of the “classical” music written for movies. Silvestry, Williams, etc.

I agree. There's some excellent music written for film. The work that Howard Shore did for the Lord of the Rings was excellent. In fact, I went to a Seattle Symphony performance, with Howard Shore conducting his own music from LOTR. It was a fantastic concert. Loved every second of it.

I would submit that modern composers writing for film scores really isn't substantially different from the classical composers writing for the stage, or in fact an opera. Same thing, different time. Same mission.

51 posted on 11/30/2010 2:05:23 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Most likely because nobody would know what you're talking about.

Get a Pollock design on a thousand-piece jigsaw puzzle if you want to go over the edge.

I'll settle for the dinner party.

52 posted on 11/30/2010 2:05:36 PM PST by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: RobRoy
Some of his stuff is “out there,” but dial up a dose of “Tied to the Whipping Post” taped in 1988 (I think) in New York City. It's floating around on utube.
You'll forget the Allman Brothers’ version.
53 posted on 11/30/2010 2:06:57 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: mojito
Henry Pleasants wrote the definitive book on this topic in 1962: "The Agony of Modern Music."

It's a great companion piece to Tom Wolfe's "The Painted Word," written in the 1970s, which gave the same treatment to modern art.

54 posted on 11/30/2010 2:07:13 PM PST by Maceman (Obama -- he's as American as nasi goreng)
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To: RobRoy
I have mixed feelings about Glass. I originally hated the stuff but learned to like it in moderation, as long as it was a background to something else.

I heard Glass being interviewed once, and when asked about his oh-so-predictable style, he compared himself (favorably, of course) to Mozart, Beethoven, et. al, who he also labeled as "monotonous."

The guy has a titanic ego.

Peter Schikele did a hilarious send-up of Glass by "glassing" Bach. The Wikipedia description:

There is often a startling juxtaposition of styles within a single P. D. Q. Bach piece. The Prelude to Einstein on the Fritz, which alludes to Philip Glass's opera Einstein on the Beach, provides an example. The underlying music is J.S. Bach's first prelude from The Well-Tempered Clavier, but with each phrase repeated interminably in a minimalist manner that parodies Glass's. On top of this mind-numbing structure is added everything from jazz phrases to snoring to the chanting of a meaningless phrase ("Koy Hotsy-Totsy," alluding to the art film Koyaanisqatsi for which Glass wrote the score). Through all these mutilations, the piece never deviates from Bach's original harmonic structure.

I chuckle every time I hear that....

55 posted on 11/30/2010 2:07:17 PM PST by r9etb
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To: longtermmemmory

That’s because, I believe, most modern ‘music’ is composed from Julliard drop outs or wanna be’s.

Or hippies who are desperately trying to keep their ‘cool’ from the 60’s.


56 posted on 11/30/2010 2:07:24 PM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Borges
He meant Art music that’s written for the concert hall.

I'd happily listen to the score of Shawshank Redemption or The Mission live.

57 posted on 11/30/2010 2:08:05 PM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: Ramius

>>Same thing, different time. Same mission.<<

In complete agreement. At times, the music has amplified the emotion of a scene to the point of bringing me to tears.

On the other hand, Comfortably Numb, on the Pink Floyd Pulse DVD has the same impact with the combination of the music and the increasingly complex light show. Shucks, I’m tearin’ up just thinking about it. :)


58 posted on 11/30/2010 2:08:49 PM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: numberonepal
But, Country Music rules!

I'll see your Merle Haggard, and raise you one George Jones.

59 posted on 11/30/2010 2:10:53 PM PST by mojito
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To: thulldud
Get a Pollock design on a thousand-piece jigsaw puzzle if you want to go over the edge.

My head just exploded thinking about it.


60 posted on 11/30/2010 2:11:02 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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