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... No "jet contrail" would have that much mass at its furthest-away point (close to 400 miles from this perspective if it were from a jet at 30,000+ feet). Plus the base is way in the foreground compared to what this photo shows as the "horizon."

Also, you can see even more clearly that the trail is backlit, as would be a launch efflux rising vertically, and not underlit as would be a jet contrail stretched horizontally at 30,000+ feet at this time of day.

Gargantua, I'm sitting here giggling. A contrail pusher asked me to show to someone I know as a world-class professional in the arena of lighting and airborne phenomena, review some data he had assembled. What you wrote above is pretty much what he remarked quickly and impatiently about what I showed him. He was half disgusted and half annoyed (with me!) that three weeks later I'm even still drawn into the discussion. He cannot understand why anyone would even engage in debating the point with someone who so clearly didn't understand the basics.

And because he's a good teacher and I'm a good listener, I understand the vertical-vs-horizontal story in the video. I've explained to him I'm not really debating the contrail folks, but am puzzling over their different motivations. The thing that gets me is the concerted, aggressive, coordinated, and sophisticated effort of the contrail pushers. That worries me as much, if not more, than the missile.

You can’t debate because you have zero data to prove your silly conspiracy. Its easy to be a conspiracy theorist, you never have to prove anything, you just ask others to disprove you. And when they do disprove you, you can just accuse them of being part of the conspiracy or question their motives.

Then you can just make up a new conspiracy.

What vig could they [the "Contrail Pushers"] possibly have in this discussion? And I don't mean the obvious government plants, I mean the everyday FReepers.

Unless...

Let's say, just for discussion, that you are the nation's premier Conservative website. Say also that the current Administration is beyond Liberal, all the way to Communist Activists.

Would you just have people scanning the conservative site and reporting back the goings-on; or would you have people log on years earlier, establish "conservative" cred over a protracted period of time, and then use those trusted "everyday FReeper assets" when needed to kill stories like "The Chink Missile Off LA" and "Obama's Homo Underwear With A Stained Fanny Door"?

To be effective, you'd need a bunch of 'em. Just like we got here. Just wondering our loud...

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