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Exploding the “That Wasn’t A Missile” Myth
FreeRepublic ^ | November 10, 2010 | Gargantua

Posted on 11/10/2010 12:45:55 PM PST by Gargantua

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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
See, U.S. Air Force [Ret] Brig. Gen. Jim Cash reports that this was observed by NORAD, and immediately reported to the President. Here I'll post it again:

"A former U.S. Air Force fighter pilot and commander of an F-15 squadron and an F-16 wing, Cash was assigned to NORAD as an assistant director of operations at the Cheyenne Mountain complex near Colorado Springs, Colo., and is fully knowledgeable of NORAD procedures.

"There is absolutely no doubt that what was captured on video off the coast of California was a missile launch, was clearly observed by NORAD, assessed by a four-star general in minutes, and passed to the president immediately," he said.

Really? NORAD watched "only a minute of the ten-minute video," and then passed that to the President? Do you really" think we're that stupid? Just because you are? Get a life!

8^D

521 posted on 12/02/2010 9:02:24 AM PST by Gargantua (Palin puts the "L" in pain... and she's coming for the scumbags!)
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To: Gargantua; Dr. Brian Kopp
I'm still looking for a single fact that supports the Missile Truthers.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

522 posted on 12/02/2010 9:18:42 AM PST by The Comedian (Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
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To: Gargantua

If this was a missile, why was there no early warning system activation and no strategic forces response?

Or do you believe that our normal response occurred, and it was later covered up?

If you believe THAT, then you must know that tens of thousands of soldiers, sailors, guardsmen and airmen are all in on it.

Does that seem likely to you?


523 posted on 12/02/2010 9:31:16 AM PST by Jim Noble (It's the tyranny, stupid!)
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To: Gargantua; The Comedian; TigersEye
I have a first hand eye witness saying he has time stamps to prove the object that created the contrail was in view for over 4 minutes, and the helicopter camera man said he filmed it for ten minutes.

Here are the two photos from the photographers Flickr Page:





I asked that photographer how long the object was in view. Here's his response:

Subject: Re: contrail photo question
Date: 27th November, 2010

Glad I could help Brian. Yes on the time stamps. That's how Mick West was able to line the plane tracking to the photos. The 2 that are on my Flickr Page were a bit over 4 min apart. At first there was a bit of confusion over that but it got settled when I realized and hadn't reset the time for Day Light Saving Time. Then they fit. Ric

The timestamps on these two photos are 4 minutes apart.

How far do YOU think an SLBM/ICBM travels in four minutes?

Awfully slow "missile" you got there.

By the way, I do not have access to the unedited ten minutes of footage the cameraman stated he shot, and neither have I claimed to.

524 posted on 12/02/2010 1:13:32 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM (Liberalism is infecund.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
...and the helicopter camera man said he filmed it for ten minutes.

No he didn't.

525 posted on 12/02/2010 2:34:44 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: TigersEye
OK, as I already posted on this thread, here's the quote from the cameraman, from the CBS News article, Military Says Missile-Like Object Wasn't Missile:

The video of what looks for all the world like the contrail of a missile was shot Monday evening by KCBS cameraman Gil Leyvas from a news helicopter over Los Angeles.

"I saw a big plume coming up, rising from looked like beyond the horizon and it continued to grow," Leyvas said.

He zoomed his camera in and stayed on it for about 10 minutes. To him it looked like an incoming missile.

"It was unique. It was moving," he said. "It was growing in the sky."

I'd like to see the other nine minutes of the video. If its nine minutes of footage of the object creating a contrail, then its definitely an airliner contrail. If only one minute of the ten minutes of footage shows a craft creating a contrail, and the rest is just footage of the contrail itself, then its probably a missile.

526 posted on 12/02/2010 2:45:48 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM (Liberalism is infecund.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Quotes are usually punctuated with quotation marks and not stated in the third person.


527 posted on 12/02/2010 2:48:13 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: TigersEye

I put a call in to the cameraman. I’ll let you know if he gets back to me.


528 posted on 12/03/2010 6:43:07 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM (Liberalism is infecund.)
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To: Sloth
Ummm. That's not even a little bit true. Have you ever been outside?

I thought the same thing. Interesting to watch people create facts (literally in this case) out of thin air.

529 posted on 12/03/2010 6:46:31 AM PST by IamConservative (Our collective common sense; the only thing a 1.5GPF toilet ever flushed on the first pull.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Sounds good. I hope you get a reply.


530 posted on 12/03/2010 11:24:54 AM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: TigersEye

I just got off the phone with the cameraman. We talked for 50 minutes.

Wow. You guys were right. The object was only in view for 2 to 3 minutes.

I might write it up as an interview and submit it to WND (they printed something I wrote several years ago.)


531 posted on 12/04/2010 3:02:07 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM (Liberalism is infecund.)
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To: Gargantua; The Comedian; DontTreadOnMe2009

Ping to post # 531.


532 posted on 12/04/2010 4:09:26 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM (Liberalism is infecund.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Thank you very much for your reply and even more for doing the work. I wouldn’t have thought he would reply to me. I guess I should think more boldly. You ought to go for the interview/article idea. Your self-confidence and effort paid off once. Again, my thanks to you.


533 posted on 12/04/2010 4:22:55 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
So, UPS902 flight trajectory?

You should contact the flight crew of UPS902 and ask them if the "missile" flew past them, considering they had the exact same flight path.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

534 posted on 12/04/2010 4:24:40 PM PST by The Comedian (Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
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To: The Comedian

He thinks it was far out to sea, behind/northwest of UPS902. He does believe he saw UPS902 far to the south of the object he was viewing, because he specifically compared that contrail, which was obviously a jet liner, to this object, which was NOT obviously a jet liner.

He was adamant that he is not claiming it was a missile, but that he has seen too many jet contrails, including the one he assumes was UPS902, to accept the jet contrail explanation at face value.


535 posted on 12/04/2010 4:35:12 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM (Liberalism is infecund.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
He does believe he saw UPS902 far to the south of the object he was viewing,...

That accords with the recorded route of UPS902 on Airport Monitor. It is supposed to fly well south of Long Beach and it did.

536 posted on 12/04/2010 4:58:23 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: The Comedian
considering they had the exact same flight path

Gil vaguely recalls reading an article the following day that quoted an FAA report that stated there was no flight activity in the area where he was shooting this video.

He reviewed the video footage repeatedly and that leads him to believe he was fairly exact in marking the location of the contrail. He said the LA harbor jetty is clearly in view in part of the video (that was not shown on TV or online), and he lined up the contrail in question with the curvature of that jetty from their position and 1200 foot elevation.

I'm no pilot, and have no background in anything military or avionic, so I'm just going by what the first hand eyewitness told me.

Also, to his knowledge his pilot at the time was NOT the pilot some internet sources claim had extensive military background, and the pilot was only able to view the footage on a 4 x 6 monitor in the cockpit in the live feed from his camera. The pilot did not see it first hand.

537 posted on 12/04/2010 5:09:37 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM (Liberalism is infecund.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp; TXnMA; lbahneman
Doc,

I keep reading "believe" and "thought", and "opinion".

I see no *data*. Just one, single, objective datum that counters the flight UPS902 data set, and I become skeptical of the contrail explanation.

I've seen nothing. Not a single smidgen, iota, or tittle of contrary data. Come on, help me out here. Help me get my conspiracy on, yo.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

538 posted on 12/04/2010 10:35:51 PM PST by The Comedian (Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
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To: The Comedian
That retired Brigadier General Cash states as unequivocal fact that NORAD tracked this object, studied the film, and immediately notified the president doesn't have any effect on your thinking? None?

Did NORAD really believe the president was that interested in the "cool lighting" on the UPS902 contrail?

Wow. Put it that way, and your explanation makes sense...

:-|

539 posted on 12/05/2010 4:04:49 AM PST by Gargantua (Palin puts the "L" in pain... and she's coming for the scumbags!)
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To: The Comedian
I see no *data*. Just one, single, objective datum that counters the flight UPS902 data set, and I become skeptical of the contrail explanation.

There are dozens. You ignore them. That is why you are The Comedian. Funny joke, huh ?

540 posted on 12/05/2010 4:51:24 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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