Exploding the “That Wasn’t A Missile” Myth

FreeRepublic ^ | November 10, 2010 | Gargantua

[vrwc1]

*snicker* Make me.

[TigersEye]

You can find the entire video here and 13 still pics from the video (and possibly other sources) and determine the exact running time of the video.

[RobRoy]

>>And over the fifty years of heavy aviation in the socal area (minimum) it is almost unheard of that anyone has raised so many questions about one of those contrails...<<

I agree. Welcome to the world of Twitter, Myspace, and the internet in general! :)

>>...that the FAA and Pentagon still can’t identify an aircraft in that air space over 48 hours later.<<

I think they were confused because some “apparently credible” people said they thought it was a missile, but there was no evidence other than the tape. They did the same investigating a lot of us here did and, after being careful they didn’t miss anything (something we are less careful to do) they finally identified it as probably flight 808.

I’m as confident about this as I am that Dan Rather’s documents were fake.

[TigersEye]

...the wider, less-dense dissipating tail would trail off into the same upper strata in which the jet flew.

That is one aspect that the missile-deniers are ignoring. The contrail is thick and opaque its entire length. Also, while it is true that a jet contrail often continues to widen to a point as it ages (until it dissipates into nearly invisible haze) it will appear to get narrower towards the horizon as it is many miles further away.

[Gargantua]

Wow. Thank you for that video. Entire flight time until burnout, less than 2 minutes. Both the spiraling and the way the flameout (ehxausetd fuel burnout) display so clearly here shows that this is definitely a missile. If that glow was the "sun reflecting off the fuselage," it would have kept reflecting instead of going dark (burning out) at precisely the same moment that the "contrail" stops (when the solid or liquid fuel propellant runs out).

Thank you so much for now posting this. I've downloaded it and will start the forensic examination immediately.

It's a missile, folks.

;-/

[RobRoy]

Thanks for that.

Here’s a great snippet from the article there The second part is actually pretty funny.

“The local station chopped up the video and so it’s hard to watch it continuously,” Pike said. “But at one place you can see it has changed course — rockets don’t do that.”

Pike said he didn’t understand why the military had not recognized the contrail of an aircraft. “The Air Force must …understand how contrails are formed,” he said. “Why they can’t get some major out to belabor the obvious, I don’t know.”

[PIF]

Point Mugu Air Station
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/point-mugu.htm

[TigersEye]

As I recall it was a causeway due south from the launch pad and all water in between. They closed it immediately and didn’t allow anyone to leave for about an hour or more. No grass just a narrow man made causeway. Two lanes of blacktop and enough bare dirt along either side to park. They had speakers on poles broadcasting the feed from launch control similar to the speakers at drive in theaters. The cut the audio right after the explosion.

[PA Engineer]

Odd that the amospheric conditions were such that only one of them would leave a contrail.

Ditto. My theory is this was a test of a hybrid rocket using potassium permanganate as an oxidizer (based on the video and eyewitness reports).

[TigersEye]

Good. I wasn’t arguing anything.

[Gargantua]

"I’m as confident about this as I am that Dan Rather’s documents were fake."

So why did DOD seize the tape "of Flight 808"? Genius? I'll wait while your handlers try to figure out a plausible explanation for that. You guys really are too much. You actually think that we're that dumb.

Let me give you a clue: your boys don't have anyone in either crypto or DIF that comes within 30 Sancrine points of me. Maybe more like 50.

Deal with it.

;-/

[RobRoy]

>>The contrail is thick and opaque its entire length. <<

No. It only APPEARS thick and opaque. And that is very common, especially when the clouds are still in sunlight but most everything else is not.

[TigersEye]

OK, so you are not in the group I describe as “ignorant” on the subject, which means...

...just that.

[Finny]

"I just flew over that area of the ocean a few months ago. The number of boats out there is fairly impressive." So are the number of aircraft in the area. Odd that the amospheric conditions were such that only one of them would leave a contrail.

Yep.

The one seen the next day that matched, and is held up as proof that it was an airliner -- I have learned through first-hand experience to become so skeptical of news sources that I pretty much take everything they say with several large grains of salt -- may have been another launch. Snicker, folks, go ahead -- but the reality is Americans have been lied to many times in ways just like this, and believed it. I have seen it happen.

People here think that folks who understand this was a missile "want to believe." They project: THEY are the ones who want to believe an explanation that makes them feel safe. I don't want to believe that our media and government are lying to us, I really, really don't, and furthermore, I think people who say I do are behaving like boors who like to insult people.

My personal guess: it was a U.S. launch. That is also my hope -- the idea that it came from an enemy country is something only a stupid fool would WANT to believe, yet there are FReepers here who have that much contempt for fellow FReepers who actually don't let what they do and don't "want" to believe influence what they perceive with their eyes and experience.

[arderkrag]

Well, yeh. Objectivity jumped ship years ago.

Anyone who honestly believes this was a missile probably also believes in "chemtrails", alien abductions, faked moon landings, the flat earth theory, and the tooth fairy.

[TigersEye]

So are the number of aircraft in the area. Odd that the amospheric conditions were such that only one of them would leave a contrail.

Right at one the heaviest air traffic hours of the day.

[Cyber Ninja]

It would have been over in a minute if they had said:

“Yes, routine launch, look for another in a week or so”.

[CharlesWayneCT]

Yes. TWA Flight 800 was not shot out of the sky.

[Gargantua]

Ah, some tactical support for Robbie, huh? He wasn't doing that badly, was he? Oh if you're trying to triangulate my 20, I'm using a Mil-Spec laptop with a Satcom uplink on what used to be called the "Orient Express," somewhere in between Ankara and Aleppo.

LMAO

Peace, OUT! ;-\

[TigersEye]

Have you ever seen an actual contrail? They tend to be narrow near the jet and wider further back as the moisture dissipates and spreads outwards.

And then they appear to narrow again in the distance due to perspective if they go on to the horizon parallel to the earth.