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Jailing for debt exploits poor, ACLU says
upi. ^ | Oct. 4

Posted on 10/04/2010 1:04:11 PM PDT by JoeProBono

NEW YORK, - Debt imprisonment is rising in America as poor people unable to pay fees are jailed, two advocacy groups said Monday.

Reports by the American Civil Liberties Union and the Brennan Center for Justice say many states across the country, strapped for funds, are aggressively going after poor people who have already served their criminal sentences. This makes it harder for them to re-enter society and ultimately costs much more.

"Incarcerating people simply because they cannot afford to pay their legal debts is not only unconstitutional but also has a devastating impact upon men and women, whose only crime is that they are poor," said Eric Balaban, senior staff attorney with the ACLU National Prison Project.

The ACLU report, "In for a Penny: The Rise of America's New Debtors' Prisons," and the Brennan Center report, "The Hidden Cost of Criminal Justice Debt," found that states and counties are imposing financial penalties on defendants beyond their criminal sentences as a way to raise revenue.

Incarcerating indigent defendants for failing to pay legal debts ends up costing states and counties much more than they can ever hope to recover, the ACLU said.


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To: Eagles6
It depends on the state you live in. In my state, the only thing that courts will can do if you have an unpaid fine or judgment (other than child support) is suspend your drivers license and attempt to garnish your wages. There are people in the system with over $20,000 in unpaid fines that have accrued over the years and as long as they work under the table and don't drive, or more likely drive without a license, there is really nothing else the state can do.
21 posted on 10/04/2010 1:51:23 PM PDT by apillar
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To: Eagles6
So if a drunk driver with no insurance runs into to you, maims you for life and destroys your property it's unfair to make him pay restitution?

This is a bad example because it is a crime - vehicular assault.

A better example would be not paying child support.

They got rid of debtor prisons a long time ago for good reasons. But the current generations are devoid of reason so we have it back. Next will be the Cat of Nine Tails.
22 posted on 10/04/2010 1:53:10 PM PDT by microgood
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To: JoeProBono

I think they got the story wrong. Municipalities can do math, so they know that they won’t make a dime imprisoning someone who can’t pay them.

What is really going on is a little more complicated, but not much.

It is called the “debtor loophole”, by which a private company can use the court system to imprison someone who owes them money, as a form of coercion.

1) When someone has a debt that they are unable to pay, more and more, companies are *selling* those debt to a collection service. Often for pennies on the dollar.

2) The collection service, who the debtor has never heard from, sends them bills which are ignored, for obvious reasons.

3) The collection service then *sues* the debtor in court, after sending them a court summons, which they also ignore, still not knowing what is going on, and never having been given a court summons before.

4) When the debtor doesn’t show up in court on the trial date, the collection service asks for a summary judgment against the debtor, then asks the judge to cite the debtor for “contempt of court”.

5) Typically, the judge then puts out a bench warrant, the surprised debtor is arrested, sentenced to jail for “contempt of court”, with their bail money set as the amount of their debt.

So technically, the debtor has *not* been imprisoned for being unable to pay their debt, which is typically not legal, but for contempt of court, which is very legal and happens a lot.

Yet the only way out of jail is to pay their debt. And yes, often this does work, as people in jail will do a lot to get out of jail, that they would not have done otherwise.


23 posted on 10/04/2010 1:55:12 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: pnh102

I was hoping for a moral distinction, not a legal description. I view taking something and not paying as theft.


24 posted on 10/04/2010 1:55:33 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: microgood
They got rid of debtor prisons a long time ago for good reasons.

Unless you happen to owe the IRS.

25 posted on 10/04/2010 1:56:18 PM PDT by dfwgator (Texas Rangers - AL West Champions)
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To: ExTxMarine
Well, suppose that you lost your family and are confined to a wheel chair and the guy that did it gets out of jail, goes to work and just doesn't feel like paying restitution owed to you for loss of family, property, medical bills and suffering.

Yeah it's kind of tough if you can't get a decent job but you can't get any kind of job because of his actions.

If you search stories related to this one it appears that a large number of folks just ignore their debts.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2013066985_debtor04m.html

26 posted on 10/04/2010 2:16:40 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: ExTxMarine

I don’t see the problem. It should be a very miserable existence, where you remember every minute that YOU SCREWED UP! Every cold night, every bowl of ramen...

If you’re truly SORRY, you’ll relish the chance to sacrifice and make good.


27 posted on 10/04/2010 2:28:23 PM PDT by Fire_on_High (Stupid should hurt.)
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To: thackney

IMO, the moral distinctions are along the nature of:

1) This penalty is almost exclusively assessed those too poor or unsophisticated to avail themselves of bankruptcy protection again creditors, while individuals with often far greater indebtedness avoid such sanctions via bankruptcy protection.

2) This difference is even more pronounced in the case of business bankruptcy; for example you can build tens or hundreds of substandard homes which incurs costs in the tens of thousands of dollars each to repair, but if you are doing business as an LLC or Corp., yon can legally walk away from financial responsibility.

It’s this sort of disproportionate application of the law which decreases public confidence it’s reasonableness.


28 posted on 10/04/2010 3:48:01 PM PDT by M. Dodge Thomas
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To: thackney

IMO, the moral distinctions are along the nature of:

1) This penalty is almost exclusively assessed those too poor or unsophisticated to avail themselves of bankruptcy protection again creditors, while individuals with often far greater indebtedness avoid such sanctions via bankruptcy protection.

2) This difference is even more pronounced in the case of business bankruptcy; for example you can build tens or hundreds of substandard homes which incurs costs in the tens of thousands of dollars each to repair, but if you are doing business as an LLC or Corp., yon can legally walk away from financial responsibility.

It’s this sort of disproportionate application of the law which decreases public confidence it’s reasonableness.


29 posted on 10/04/2010 4:10:06 PM PDT by M. Dodge Thomas
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To: microgood
"Reports by the American Civil Liberties Union and the Brennan Center for Justice say many states across the country, strapped for funds, are aggressively going after poor people who have already served their criminal sentences. This makes it harder for them to re-enter society and ultimately costs much more."

Actually the article is about fines, costs and restitution resulting from criminal actions.

30 posted on 10/04/2010 5:15:08 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: Eagles6
Actually the article is about fines, costs and restitution resulting from criminal actions.

You are right. I should have read more carefully.
31 posted on 10/04/2010 6:31:58 PM PDT by microgood
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To: Fire_on_High
I don’t see the problem. It should be a very miserable existence, where you remember every minute that YOU SCREWED UP! Every cold night, every bowl of ramen...

Well, they tried that on Germany after World War I. Did not work out too well.
32 posted on 10/04/2010 6:34:14 PM PDT by microgood
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To: microgood

No problem. When you think the aclu might be right look a little closer.


33 posted on 10/04/2010 6:37:20 PM PDT by Eagles6
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