Posted on 10/03/2010 5:59:15 PM PDT by Celtic Cross
Recently, I was considering becoming a member of the Libertarian Party. I admit I knew little about the party, except that they are for smaller government. I visited their website, and this is what I found...
The party's views of gay unions and abortion are as follows;
"Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government's treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships."
"Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration."
I know that there are many libertarians here on FR, and I would appreciate it if they weighed in. How can you affiliate yourselves with a party that at least appears to disagree with many basic conservative principles?
No. Not even that. Your entire statement is so wrong it may not even be English.
Being anti-Roe v Wade, pro-smaller Government, freedom for all, and strong RKBA cannot be twisted by even the most perverted minds to mean what you just wrote.
libertarians are those with a less government philosophy who are of any political party. Libertarians are those who support the Libertarian party.
I am usually a Republican with libertarian leanings. In my own case, I am hardline pro-life, pro 2nd Amendment, support a non-interventionist foreign policy, and support less government. I disagree with the LP on abortion and immigration.
As far as Sharia law goes, if they try to enforce that on me, I'll just shoot their ass.
Have a cup of coffee, I never addressed my personal faith.
Come up with something better than that, to push the homosexual/Muslim agenda.
That is accurate.
It is you that is trying to redefine marriage to nothing, or everything, or whatever anyone wants to make of it.
Conservatives are fighting to preserve marriage.
“Libertarians are Conservatives who like to do drugs.”
OR
Liberals that don’t do drugs.
lololololol
So you disagree with the Libertarian website and people on this thread who identify as Libertarians (small or big “L”).
I’m just stating their positions in simple language. Not changing a thing.
Try again...
Pro-homosexual agenda, pro-abortion, Islam-enabling, drug tolerant/or using people who want to enfeeble and emasculate the military.
The only good thing is they want lower taxes.
From a 1975 interview with then Governor Ronald Reagan:
REASON: Governor Reagan, you have been quoted in the press as saying that you’re doing a lot of speaking now on behalf of the philosophy of conservatism and libertarianism. Is there a difference between the two?
REAGAN: If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals–if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.
Now, I can’t say that I will agree with all the things that the present group who call themselves Libertarians in the sense of a party say, because I think that like in any political movement there are shades, and there are libertarians who are almost over at the point of wanting no government at all or anarchy. I believe there are legitimate government functions. There is a legitimate need in an orderly society for some government to maintain freedom or we will have tyranny by individuals. The strongest man on the block will run the neighborhood. We have government to insure that we don’t each one of us have to carry a club to defend ourselves. But again, I stand on my statement that I think that libertarianism and conservatism are travelling the same path.
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Your characterization of libertarians is entirely incorrect. You obviously missed the one of the key concepts of liberty and freedom - that allowing freedom does not necessarily indicate support for the actions of other people. I presume you are for freedom of religion - if so does that make you a supporter of radical Islam? Or the Westboro Baptist Church? Why not? Well, because you can be for freedom without being "for" what some people choose to do with that freedom.
Of course if you think Ronald Reagan was a "Pro-homosexual agenda, pro-abortion, Islam-enabling, drug tolerant/or using [person] who want[ed] to enfeeble and emasculate the military" then I guess you are welcome to your opinion.
No. You are restating them for your own agenda. Some people call themselves "libertarian" who by the definition are not. The LP itself is no more immune from this than the GOP is from RINO's.
The litmus test is always freedom. Yes, even freedom for gays or other people you may find icky.
As a man who’s been married for 20 years, let me be the first to declare that it’s not about definitions. I don’t care who calls what, what, because my relationship will remain unchanged. I’m all for getting government out of marriage. But then, I’m all for getting government out of most things.
All too often, I get the feeling that a certain brand of conservatism differs only from liberalism in the areas that it wants government to join them in forcing their beliefs on others. Both want intrusive government to invade the private lives of citizens to make them toe the line. In all honesty, they’re more alike than they’ll ever admit. Luckily, there are plenty of genuine small government conservatives that want to put a stop to it.
1. I don’t think Reagan was perfect or God.
2. I am sure Reagan would not go for the Libertarian agenda as stated by libertarians on this thread or on its websites.
Homosexual marriage? Kid adoption? In the military? Islam is our friend? He’d like that?
Sheesh.
Or conservatives that are tired of the other two Parties “free for me but not for thee” attitudes on freedom and personal responsibility.
You are advocating the homosexual/Muslim view, to redefine marriage, you can word it in anyway that you want, but you and they agree, and share a common goal.
The homosexual/Muslim lobby wins another convert to end marriage and free it up to whatever anybody wants.
That is great 1960s thinking, what is called, low tax, liberalism.
Conservatives want to preserve marriage, but we won’t be lynching you guys like Americans would have 200 years ago.
You are definitely pushing the homosexual/Muslim agenda, calling it a new found “freedom” that America never knew existed, does not change that.
LOL, Reagan proceeds to distance himself from libertarians in that interview, that is why the interviewer keeps getting back to economics.
Where are all the other libertarian writings and speeches by the Republican icon, Ronald Reagan, why is that little 1975 interview with a libertarian magazine, so lonely, in the Reagan history?
Nor do I approve of the government having anything at all to do with marriage. I told you that last thread you tried this nonsense on.
LOL, the only reason this is an issue after all these centuries, is because of the homosexual agenda to dump marriage, and redefine it, you are on board with that.
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