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1 posted on 09/19/2010 6:50:59 AM PDT by wendy1946
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2 posted on 09/19/2010 7:03:24 AM PDT by wendy1946
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Sounds like her book is a popularized version of the academic studies presented by AMI:

American Monetary Institute

And yes, as your political philosophy leans towards personal liberty, you will find yourself agreeing with leftists who embrace the same ideals. That's why you might be surprised to find yourself in agreement with Kucinich, Michael Hudson and others on various financial concepts.

The bottom line is that we are moving, once again, towards a system whereby Congress, via Treasury oversight, will once again take over control of (non debt nor gold nor fixed asset) primary base money. The Fed is fighting for its life, but it has long outlived even what their originators could have dreamed.

4 posted on 09/19/2010 7:56:08 AM PDT by semantic
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To: wendy1946
What was the real cause of the American revolution (I mean, who the hell's gonna fight a war over tea?)

Ellen Brown's book answered this elementary question? I hope you got a refund (or huge discount).

The only rat who shows any sign of grasping this stuff at present is Dennis Kucinich from Cincinnati, who most dems view as as flake.

Ellen Brown is in the same camp as Dennis Kookcinich...who is steps to the left of Eva Peron.

That's the good news for the time being at least.

Seeing the Kook as good news in any way is just plain crazy.

5 posted on 09/19/2010 10:41:54 AM PDT by 10Ring
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And finally a true bombshell of a book called Web of Debt by Ellen Brown of Los Angelas.

LOL!

Ellen Brown would be ten or twelve degrees from center towards the side of Eva Peron.

She is an idiot lefty, which, I guess, explains her attraction for idiot "righties".

the two of them have achieved a two for one increase in the value of money by doing the exact thing which is supposed to always DECREASE the value of money i.e. printing it.

The value won't decrease if output increases more than money supply.

We are paying interest on money which banks produce from thin air

I only pay interest on money that banks loan from previous deposits.

it should be obvious enough that governments could produce money from thin air themselves without citizens owing interest.

The Federal Reserve does produce money from thin air "without citizens owing interest"

Since money is loaned into the system, there is never enough available to repay the loans including interest.

I have enough to repay my loans, including interest.

The money to pay interest only becomes available from MORE loans,

I repay my loans with money from income, not loans.

The solutions which Ellen Brown proposes would in fact work

Ellen's solution involves giving every governor a state bank to direct loans toward cronies. How'd politically motivated lending work with Fannie and Freddie?

populists like Brown are now proposing that this power to create money be placed at the state level.

Yeah, she's a moron.

the biggest danger is that demoKKKrats might somehow or other get on the right side of this stuff before we do.

They already like corrupt, politically motivated loans.

The only rat who shows any sign of grasping this stuff at present is Dennis Kucinich

Yeah, Dennis, Ellen and you are already on the same side. I'm on the right, pointing and laughing.

7 posted on 09/19/2010 2:06:29 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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Don't know how clear this was... The motivation for understanding these ideas arises from the impact which their implementation could have on all of our lives. You'd be talking about eliminating all personal taxes while simultaneously providing governments at all levels with more than enough money for all legitimate purposes. It's not just a question of eliminating a parasitic banking system, it's a question of eliminating the throttling effect which that system has on productivity in general.

A recent email exchange which I was cc-ed on shows what is involved fairly clearly; The impetus began with one of Jeff Rense's pages and you don't need to read much of it to get seriously pissed off:

"Go back to Boston! Go back to Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future. You are old and tired. Go on. We have beaten you. Leave like beaten rats. You old white people. It is your duty to die. Through love of having children, we are going to take over."
-- Augustin Cebada, Brown Berets

"They're afraid we're going to take over the governmental institutions and other institutions. They're right. We will take them over. We are here to stay."
-- Richard Alatorre, Los Angeles City Councilman

"We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. The explosion is in our population . . . I love it. They are shitting in their pants with fear. I love it!"
-- Professor Jose Angel Gutierrez, University of Texas

"Remember 187--proposition to deny taxpayer funds for services to non-citizens--was the last gasp of white America in California."
-- Art Torres, Chairman of the California Democratic Party

"We are politicizing every single one of these new citizens that are becoming citizens of this country . . . I gotta tell you that a lot of people are saying, 'I'm going to go out there and vote because I want to pay them back.'"
-- Gloria Molina, Los Angeles County Supervisor

"California is going to be a Hispanic state. Anyone who doesn't like it should leave."
-- Mario Obledo, California Coalition of Hispanic Organizations and California State Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare under Governor Jerry Brown, also awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by President Bill Clinton

"We are practicing 'La Reconquista' in California."
-- Jose Pescador Osuna, Mexican Consul General

"We need to avoid a white backlash by using codes understood by Latinos."
-- Professor Fernando Guerra, Loyola Marymount University

"The American Southwest seems to be slowly returning to the jurisdiction of Mexico without firing a single shot."
-- Excelsior, the national newspaper of Mexico .......

Worst possible case we could probably take these people and retake California if we don't wait too much longer to do it but that would be a horrific bloody mess and it wouldn't really solve the basic problem which these people are stating correctly. Birth rates in many western countries are catastrophically low at present and our own birth rate is above water only due to immigrants, many such as these.

There is only one real solution to the problem which is that the social milieu of 1955 has to be restored and it has to again become both respectable and financially possible for normal middle class people to marry and start families in their late teens or early twenties which is what the human race is biologically programmed for, raise families on one income, and cease having children raised by nannies and government agencies.

The amount of money required for that would be gigantic.

There is only one basic plan or idea which I know of which would be capable of bringing about such a revolution and that would be the the set of ideas which Ellen Brown lays out in her 'Web of Debt', which I have mentioned above.

The idea that the problem could be fixed by passing draconian abortion laws is wishful thinking. Middle class people basically have children when they feel they can afford it.

18 posted on 09/27/2010 3:24:04 AM PDT by wendy1946
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