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Do you think there are any such things as "moderate" or "peace loving" muslims?

Posted on 09/12/2010 7:40:05 PM PDT by LouAvul

There are lots of "lukewarm" Christians. (Rev. 3:16) These are Christians who go whichever way the wind blows. They don't want to make waves.

This is a characteristic of human nature and something we all must guard against (as Christians).

But seeing as how many Christians are lukewarm (vote democrat, embrace homosexuals [viz. Episcopalians]), would it follow that there are many muslims who similarly don't uphold Islam's murderous tenets?


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To: LouAvul
Peace in the muslim world is the same as it is in the communist world: absence of any oppostion.
41 posted on 09/12/2010 7:56:53 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: LouAvul

Moderate Muslims want the same thing as radical muslims- Islamic domination and the removal of any non-believer.

The radical will slit your throat to quickly accomplish his objective. The moderate will inflict a slow, painful death through invasion by legal immigration, mass conversion from within, grab control of the government via sympathetic politicians, impose Sharia Law... then slit your throat.

So, what’s the diff?


42 posted on 09/12/2010 7:57:21 PM PDT by dmzTahoe
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To: LouAvul

I’m going to respond to this blindly before reading other respones, but hell yes. I work/ and have worked with great people that are muslims. Hard workers from Iran and the Middle East. I have met many more baptists and catholics who are assholes.
Now Ill look at the responses...


43 posted on 09/12/2010 7:57:49 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: r9etb
...they are overshadowed by the bad element...

madmo

They are only "bad" from our point of view. They are the best and noblest Islam has to offer from the Koran's point of view. If a Muslim does not want to be thought of as a bad person they need to find another religion. I suggest the Ahmandi sect. It claims to be Islamic but is peaceful.

44 posted on 09/12/2010 7:59:06 PM PDT by Nateman (If liberals are not screaming you are doing it wrong!)
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To: LouAvul
Of course there are. Just as there are some Christians out there that are full of hate. Works both ways. Unfortunately, there are a lot more nutjob Muslims out there willing to kill then there are nutjob .
45 posted on 09/12/2010 8:00:20 PM PDT by SideoutFred (B.O. Stinks...it really does)
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To: LouAvul

To your headline question: NO


46 posted on 09/12/2010 8:00:41 PM PDT by svcw (Everyday the enemy tries to offer you an apple, when God has already given us an orchard.)
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To: LouAvul
But seeing as how many Christians are lukewarm (vote democrat, embrace homosexuals [viz. Episcopalians]), would it follow that there are many muslims who similarly don't uphold Islam's murderous tenets?

Yup. In parts of India and Indonesia, where the Muslims used to be Hindus or Buddhists, you can still see many Muslims who aren't nearly as hard-core in their beliefs. They're Muslims and worship Allah, but they'll still occasionally stop and say a prayer at some village Hindu or Buddhist temple for good luck. Their wives don't wear veils, they don't know much about Israel and care even less - but the Saudi-funded fundamentalists are there too, and the momentum, the money, and the energy is with the fundamentalists.
47 posted on 09/12/2010 8:00:53 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: goseminoles
I work/ and have worked with great people that are muslims.

Way cool, would you turn your back on them or trust your co workers that are Catholic or Baptists?

Who do you think would bury the knife the deepest or blow your ass up first?

Just askin....

48 posted on 09/12/2010 8:01:39 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Moderates manipulate, extremest use violence, but the goal is the same.)
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To: svcw

A moderate muzzie uses a sharp knife at the beheading.


49 posted on 09/12/2010 8:02:20 PM PDT by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice in these troubled times.)
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To: LouAvul

A Christian repenting is much different than a Muslim repenting. Whereas a repentant Christian has to forgive people, confess sins and try to follow the example of Christ, a repentant Muslim need only kill some infidels to gain access into allah’s paradise. On the one hand you are talking about people who believe in God, the God Jesus described as Love, the one who Jesus said judges no man, the Father. Christians believe in Jesus who when being beaten said to his Father, “Forgive them for they know not what they do.” Muslims believe in the pervert Mohammad who literally sent his followers out to murder people who refused to convert. Big difference. That’s why talk about a reformation in Islam is naive, missing the point that the world doesn’t want reformed Muslims who actually follow their master’s bidding. The fundamentalist terrorists are the product of reformed Islam. So, in answer to your question, yes I think there are moderate Muslims, and I think they can be very dangerous people. The only good Muslim is an ex Muslim, one who has seen the error in the ways of Islam and left it.


50 posted on 09/12/2010 8:02:20 PM PDT by pallis
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To: LouAvul
No,I think that all *true* moslems...those who *truly* believe and closely follow the "koran" are filthy,pig fornicating psychopaths.

That being said my hunch is that a fair number...if not a substantial number...of those who *call* themselves moslems actually aren't.I suspect that most such individuals are basically harmless.

51 posted on 09/12/2010 8:02:39 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (''I don't regret setting bombs,I feel we didn't do enough.'' ->Bill Ayers,Hussein's mentor,9/11/01)
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To: goseminoles

I’d like anyone who believes they know ‘moderate, good’ Muslims to try this.
Get a Koran- find the passages that SUPPORT and ORDER the hate, violence and murder that Islam is committing today, and ask the ‘good Muslim’ if they would RIP those pages out of the ‘holy book’ and destroy them.
If Islam is being ‘defiled’ it is by the tenets of Islam itself. Are the ‘good’ Muslims willing to purge the Koran, and their religious beliefs, of these passages?
If not- if they consider EVERY word of the Koran ‘holy’- then they are as evil as it is.
It’s put up or shut up time.


52 posted on 09/12/2010 8:02:39 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: Bodleian_Girl
That is completely impossible.

Summa totius heresis Saracenorum (The Summary of the Entire Heresy of the Saracens) and the Liber contra sectam sive heresim Saracenorum (The Refutation of the Sect or Heresy of the Saracens). These works from the 11th century, show that the Church viewed Islam as a Christian heresy with roots in paganism.

The Byantines, St. John Damascene, Peter the venerable, St Bernard, Hilaire Belloc (the premier Catholic apologist of the early twentieth century). Among many many others have held this position. It is only VERY recently that we have been presented with this NEW view of Islam.

53 posted on 09/12/2010 8:02:54 PM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Welcome to "The Hunt for Red November".)
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To: LouAvul

I have a number of close Muslim friends who are very moderate and peace-loving.


54 posted on 09/12/2010 8:05:59 PM PDT by babble-on
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To: goseminoles

To self: Wow, I’m against extreme islamic philosophy but didn’t expect this ignorant hatred... We have to work together in this society with others. I just didn’t expect this level of hatred from freepers. Some need to join the nutjob in Gainesville. I wonder how many of you posters would have the balls to express your anonymous critisism to the guy in the cubicle next to you face to face? Didn’t think so... I don’t think all Freepers are back woods idiots. Just someone prove me wrong.


55 posted on 09/12/2010 8:06:27 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: TheGunny

No close personal friend of mine has ever expressed the least desire to fly airliners into skyscrapers, nor to the best of my knowledge have many neighbourhood soccer coaches done so.

This is claptrap and just makes us all look like morons.


56 posted on 09/12/2010 8:06:29 PM PDT by PotatoHeadMick
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To: J Edgar

moderate shariah?

moderate jihad?


57 posted on 09/12/2010 8:07:40 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: LouAvul
No.

They're either lying or apostates.

58 posted on 09/12/2010 8:08:07 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (I'd rather take my chances with someone misusing freedom than someone misusing power.)
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To: PotatoHeadMick
Do your moderate muslim friends ever try to stand up against the radical muslims and stop them from committing violent acts against Christians and Jews? Do they ever go on TV and condemn the radicals? If so I haven't seen them.
59 posted on 09/12/2010 8:08:35 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: goseminoles
We have to work together in this society with others.

And how is it that you would work with people who are committed to convert you, or kill you?

It's not hatred my FRiend but rather facing the reality of an enemy that would sooner cut your throat than look at you....silly post.

60 posted on 09/12/2010 8:11:04 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Moderates manipulate, extremest use violence, but the goal is the same.)
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