Will the Real Islam Please Stand Up!

Various publications ^ | October 2001 | Jenerette

[kjenerette]

A Time Machine look back to a FreeRepublic Old Thread from 2001

 

Will The Real Islam Please Stand Up?

Stop telling me about Islam. Shouldn't the media and talk shows hosts really be instructing 'wayward' Muslims and their followers who have 'hijacked' Islam about the true meaning of the Koran and Islam. I really don't care about their religion. Tell them about their religion! Just tell the Muslims who have their Koran and the Prophets' message all wrong that they have it backwards and inside out. They seem to be the ones who need to understand the 'true' meaning of the Koran and Islam. by Van Jenerette, Major, U.S. Army(ret) Ph.D. Candidate, University of South Carolina Sunday, October 14, 2001

 

I really don't give a rat's explicit about Islam. ...Tell the Muslim's who have hijacked Islam about their religion!			Why can't I turn on the television or read a newspaper or magazine without being bombarded by some instruction from the media on how I should 'understand' Islam? Thanks, but no thanks. I really don't give a rat's explicit about Islam. I just don't like Americans being killed by anyone - and I like it even less when someone comes into my country to do the killing. I don't care to hear any reason this or excuse that or please understand their anger explanations. I just want to hang the people who did it and never let anyone think they can do it again. Not here. I live here. Anyway, it's been over a month since the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks and there seems to be hundreds of TV talk-show hosts, news people, Islamic experts, roaming Imams, and Muslim clerics who keep telling me how I should get aquatinted with the 'real' Muslim world of the Koran, Hadith and the Sunna and how these terrorist guys who pulled off the 9/11 attacks don't really represent the actual Islamic faith or the teachings of the prophet. If this is true, why should I be the target audience on what 'true' Islam really is? I didn't crash a plane in to the WTC, and I didn't send my children out into the streets to cheer the deaths of thousands of innocent people. If I have it right, all the people who did this were Muslims. Correct? Shouldn't the media and talk show hosts really be instructing these 'wayward' Muslims and their followers who have 'hijacked' Islam about the true meaning of the Koran and Islam? I mean I already know what they did was wrong as do most honest American's, so why are you telling me? I don't really care about their religion. Tell them about their religion! Yes, tell the Muslims. Now there's a thought, just tell the Muslims who have their Koran and the Prophet's message all wrong - that they have it backwards and inside out. To me, they seem to be the ones who need to understand the 'true' meaning of the Koran and Islam. After all; according to the television 'experts', Islam means peace, not surrender or submission as I've read in Arabic. See, at this point as an outsider, I really don't know who has the Koran right - the Islamic Fundamentalist or the Islamic Traditionalist - the Sunni or the Shii Muslims, the Wahabis and who ever else is involved, including an assortment of Islamic terrorists themselves. I've heard so much talk from the experts that even Jihad is beginning to sound like a cross between a personal love fest or a pretty violent and murderous enterprise depending on who you are listening to at the time. So please, to all the media types and so-called Islamic experts - stop giving me your line on how these guys have hijacked a religion and just have the guts to tell Osama bin Laden, Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Hamas, the Taliban and other Muslims who agree with them, that they have the Koran and the Prophet Mohammad all wrong. Period. Like it or not, in the big picture there seems to be no shortage of Muslims who agree with Bin Laden and other Terrorism Inc. members, et. al. But, even worse is the fact that they live all over the world and there are millions of them! From, China to Chechnya, to Indonesia, to the Philippians, back to India, into Saudi Arabia, south to Nigeria and about 50 other places you might not want to visit. To top it off, they come in a variety pack of all races and colors - brown, white, black, blue-eyed; black hair, beards, turbans, suits and ties. Wow! You've got to wonder; which Koran are these guys reading? I mean, someone has to have the Koran right and someone else has to have it wrong! Right? So many Muslims today make it sound like there are two versions of the Koran floating around out there. If so, what is the difference between the Koran that the Terrorists are reading, and the Koran that the rest of the Muslim world is reading? Is there an Original Koran and Revised Koran? If so, who is reading which version? Why is there an absence of direct condemnation and action targeted at millions of wayward Muslims who follow the terrorists? Why is there no overt and highly visible attempt to re-educate error-laden-believers to the 'true' message of Islam and the Prophet Mohhamad? I'm confused. This leads to some pretty difficult questions that I would like some brave souls or the members of the media to ask some Muslim leaders or other Islamic experts and try to get some straight answers: #1) Why is there such a huge effort to convince Christians, Jews and other non-Muslims that Islam is a peaceful, tolerant, kind, respectful religion, but there is no such direct effort to convey the same messages into the Mosques and the Arab Muslim world; especially to those Muslims in Gaza, Afghanistan, Indonesia, Pakistan, Nigeria, Tajikistan, the West Bank, etc.? In the same breath, why are Christian churches, Christian worship and Christian preaching banned in so many Islamic nations if Islam is so tolerant of all faiths? #2) Where are the Muslim world's media television, talk-show hosts', news people, Islamic experts' and roaming Imams' and clerics' voices with the message that people should not listen to Osama bin Laden, Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Hamas and other Muslims who use terrorism. Why aren't they saying that the terrorist interpretations of the Koran and the Prophet's teachings are all wrong? #3) If the Terrorists and the Islamic Fundamentalists have 'hijacked' Islam to further their own agenda and are not following the Koran; why haven't the clerics and Imams issued a fatwa (religious decree) in full view of Muslims everywhere; as set forth in Islamic law and the Koran, for those who have decried the 'true' faith and edicts of Islam? Does anyone remember the author Salman Rushdie? They didn't waste anytime putting a price on his head and all he did is write a book that broke Islamic Law. #4) Why hasn't the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC); who represents nearly one-fifth of the world's population, named Bin laden directly and condemned him and other terrorist organizations as apostates to the Muslim Religion? Better yet, if in truth Islam is a religion that prohibits the murder and killing of the innocent, why haven't Muslims everywhere; including the OIC, condemned the bombing of Disco's, Pizzeria's, or the killing of civilians and of school children in Israel? #5) If Jihad, by definition does not include the concept of a violent 'Holy War', why do so many Islamic clerics and followers of the Muslim religion keep using it for justification of their killing of other people of other faiths or nations? Can millions of readers of the Koran have it that wrong? #6) Pardon my ignorance of the Koran, but if a Catholic Priest did a 'such-and-such' terrible deed, the Bishops, the Cardinals, and the Pope would all condemn the actions and excommunicate the offender. Why is there no such action against the terrorists who (according to all the Islamic clergy and American and Muslim experts who are 'educating' the American public to Islam) have violated the Koran? #7) Finally, can the Muslims have it both ways? Either the Koran is specific or it is not. Either the plethora of Islamic terrorists organizations are following the literal edicts of the Koran and the Sunan, or they are apostates that must be destroyed by other Muslims with even more vengeance - that which is extended to non-believers. Which way is it? I would really like some direct and specific answers. I don't want to hear history about the Crusades, or the U.S. foreign policy crap, or the rage of Muslims, or the Palestinians claims to the same lands as the Israelis, or comparisons to Christianity and Judaism, or stories of poverty or hunger, or the CIA, or other 'look-behind-you' and 'blame-the-victim' excuses. Most of what has been said in the media has been either pure bull or a lesser mix of lies and rumors. At this point, the majority of Americans don't want to hear excuses. We want action. Save the excuses for a more Politically Correct time period and a more gullible audience. Not that it matters, but I'm still not sure if I'm considered a non-believer that Muslims should live in peace with or if I am an infidel that should be killed for my corrupt life style, or my religious belief of Jesus Christ and the trinity of God. I need to have the 'real' Islam please stand up. I suppose for the time being we are stuck and must consider that there are but two possibilities: in the least, either the majority of Muslims aquiecese to the 'hijacking' of their religion, or at worst, they give tacit approval to the murderous actions the Islamic terrorists have done in the name of Allah.
			Notes: Before the 11th of September, I really didn't care what Islam was all about. Actually I didn't give a rat's ass; it was just another religion with it's share of contradictions and eccentric notions. Outside of some studies of the Koran and the Sunan while at the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College, I never gave Islam much thought. In that case, I opened the book on this most 'interesting' religion only when confronted by some Muslim Officers from Arab countries who tried to convince me about the rightousnous of 'Honor Killing' for wayward daughters at the hands of their own families. A pretty chilling concept for a American father with six children. At least in their Muslim world my sons were safe. Small comfort - four of my children are girls. According to them, the female population of America would dramatically decrease; but improve, overnight once we 'saw the light.' Whew. That's a real scary thought.

About the Writer.... Van Jenerette is married to Katherine Jenerette of North Myrtle Beach South Carolina , a candidate for the 1st District Congressional seat in the 2010 election.  Katherine Jenerette is a U.S. Army veteran of the Persian Gulf War Operation Desert Storm and a graduate of the University of South Carolina, Coastal Carolina with a Masters Degree from USC, Columbia. She served as U.S. Congressional Field Representative for the First Congressional District, South Carolina. She is married and the mother of four children and an Officer in the U.S. Army Reserve. Van Jenerette has served a Policy advisor to U.S. Rep. Henry Brown, 1st Congressional District, South Carolina. He served as a Congressional Staff Assistant to U.S. Rep. Arthur Ravenel, Jr., 1st Congressional District, South Carolina from 1992 to 1994 and was a candidate for the 1st District Congressional seat in the 2000 election. He is a U.S. Army veteran and the father of six children.

 

 

 

 

[kjenerette]

Real Questions are Real important today as they were in 2001. Waiting on the answers...

[ryderann]

Never, never forget that Muslims are taught to lie to Infidels.

[shankbear]

ALL Mooselimbs believe their koran terror manual. Therefore all Mooselimbs harbor the jihad notions. They utilize taqiyya or the deception ruse. It is a cult of hate.

[pennyfarmer]

At one time I really tried to convince myself that there were good Muslims. Now I know that any Muslims that appear to be good are really just lairs.

[dleach]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w

[ixtl]

I am still waiting for a ‘mainstream Muslim’ to say to his radical brethern (and the rest of us) “This is wrong, this is not Islam, I condemn it!” instead of a wimpy “All Muslims are not like that.”

Well, ‘mainstream Muslims,’ as I said, I am waiting......

[Aut Pax Aut Bellum]

I DO understand Islam.
I understand they consider everyone else to be an enemy and to be treated as an “infidel”. I understand I will not change them, despite their attempts at changing me. I understand that at their root, with their teachings and theology, I am their enemy, and they are my enemy.

[Kozak]

No more explanation is needed.

[TomasUSMC]

Real islum stood up on 9/11. They stood up on the rooftops and cheered as the WTC fell.

[FrankR]

Civil Rights taught the world that if you tack on the title "Reverend" to your name, you get a lot of doors opened for you, and you get some modicum of "respectability". In many cases you take away the title "reverend", and you're left with a community organizer...period.

Now the muzzies are picking up that trick, and a MSM who normally would slam and ridicule a real "pastor" suddenly is bowing at the waist for anyone calling themselves an "imam" or a muslim "cleric".

These "reverends", "imams" and "clerics" are being given far more power than the average policeman, yet it's a crime to impersonate a police officer.

These "reverends", "imams" and "clerics" are flim-flam artists using a title to sell their ideology and to gain special rights and priviledges not afforded to the rest of Americans who stand on the rights granted by the Consitution, say, like Reverend Jones.

Suddenly the after-market add-on titles of "reverend", "imam", and "cleric" have gained all of the power and amenities normally reserved for ambassadors and heads-of-state by simply self-proclaiming a bogus title.

They are given the protection of "diplomatic immunity" while a sidewalk preacher goes to jail for teaching Christianity or praying on the sidewalks of New York.

I grew up in a Christian Church, and for the last forty years I've watched the hijackings, beheadings, shootings, stonings, burning of the American Flags, and endless examples of the hatred muslims and islam have for America,and then the bastards want to tell us Christianity is "bad" and islam is the "religion of peace and love"...well to that I say BULL$#I+

Islam is a ruse used to gain control and foist totalitarian dictatorships on people, using the koran as their set of instructions. There is no other way to call it.

American leaders are quaking in their Florsheims because some idiots are rioting over Jones' intention to burn a kuran...and the riots are overseas in the middle eastern muslim countries...NOT HERE. And what is the first way the muzzies chose to protest the proposed burning of the koran? They burnt several American Flags.

I could present some danger to our troops, but I our troops had been allowed to actually be an "American" fighting force, the taliban would too busy with their 72 virgins to be much of a problem. But, when they are told to not shoot back, they're in danger just BEING THERE, never mind burning a koran.

Finally, I want to address our feeble excuse for a president. Speculation abounds as to "what" or "who" he is...I don't know who he is, but I can tell you what he isn't, in my opinion; he is NOT an American. He does not possess any love for America, no sense of duty or patriotism that has ever shown in his words or actions.

His main thrust from the first time I ever heard him speak has been to "change", change everything about America. He gives the "crotch salute" to the flag, requires that crosses and crucifixes be covered to speak in a Christian church or setting; cancels Christian prayer days but has islamic ramadan dinners in the White House.

Now, I was born on Thursday, but not lastThursday; I wil never beleive that in a fair and honest election, this guy would have ever been elected. Much of his rise was based on skin color and political correctness - throw in the ACORN ballot-cooking and we have a president named "hussein"

Just like the forest vs the Trees thing, we are right now being indoctrinated and intimidated into the muslim "religion" and 90% of us don't even know it.

Sharia law is already in effect; preferential bending of the Bill of Rights for the Mosque and totally ignoring the Bill of Rights for koran burning preacher Jones. Did the final decision(s) come down on the side of the Constiution, America, or on the side of the koran and islam. It's "mosque=yes, koran burning=no". Sharia wins, the Constitution loses.

Maybe the closet muslims in the White Party House want to bow to, and appease them, but almost 70% of Americans DON'T. When the imams threaten us, the "regime" of obama trembles in fear, and the rest of us are saying, "bring it on!".

Long ago America announced that it would NOT negotiate with Terrorists...well thanks to Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and now Jimmy Carter II, all we do everyday is "negotiate" with terrorists. You cannot give in to fanatics who only understand force.

Their precious "fireproof-in-America" handbook, the koran, TEACHES THEM TO LIE about their intentions - we all know that, yet we keep believing them. How stupid are we to keep falling for it?

We - as a country - are giving international "Affirmative Action" to muslim countries for the same reasons of fear that were given here - fear of riots. Their "NAACP" is "CAIR" and again, the tail is wagging the dog.

Clean out this Congress, put some Amerians in there, and neuter this hound dog of a president we have before his fleas infest the whole country.

[ConradofMontferrat]

There never was, and never will be, such a person as a “moderate muslim”.

Unless you believe that completely, you are defeated.

[caveat emptor]

The real Islam?

[W. W. SMITH]

Eighty to ninety percent of muslims are not violent by nature yet must conform to the dictates of the radicals.

They don't condemn or confront the violent elements because it would cost them their head. They don't convert because it would cost them their life.

The entire organization is terroristic in nature. It has been designed over many centuries to achieve complete control. The 80 to 90 percent of Muslims who are not violent are simply slaves.

This nation, the United States, fought a terrible war in order to make slavery illegal. Yet we now find ourselves fostering in our midst slavery in the form of islam.

All adherents of islam within our borders should be invited to convert. Those who do not, told to leave and all mosques razed.

We will not suffer slavery to continue.

[Flag_This]

"Why can't I turn on the television or read a newspaper or magazine without being bombarded by some instruction from the media on how I should 'understand' Islam?"

When they say "understand" what they mean is: ignore your own life experiences and all the lessons of history.

Here's a western history lesson for the "moderate" muslims: During WWII the allies destroyed boat-loads of moderate germans along with the radical nazis (see Dresden). I would suggest that the moderate muslims better find a way to separate themselves from the radicals. The jihadists are intent on pushing us; we will, eventually, inevitably shove right back - it will get very very ugly.

[supercat]

Eighty to ninety percent of muslims are not violent by nature yet must conform to the dictates of the radicals.

Radicals such as Mohamed himself.

Christians acknowledge the infallibility of Christ. Do Muslims do likewise for Mohamed? Mohamed's mission was to subjugate and kill infidels, and to spread Mohamed-worship by the sword. To what extent is it possible to worship or venerate someone and not endorse that person's primary mission?

I suppose in some artistic or technical fields it might be possible. One could honor someone as a great composer or architect without endorsing anything the honoree did in his personal life. I'm not clear, though, what exactly Mohammed did that was worthy of note, other than use the power of the sword to secure a following. If use of the sword to secure one's following isn't a practice worthy of veneration, what exactly do Muslims worship Mohammed for?

[cpforlife.org]

I believe this has the most accurate and complete answer: http://www.prophetofdoom.net

Prophet of Doom - Islam's Terrorist Dogma in Muhammad's Own Words

I first came across that site about 4-5 years ago and highly recommend it to all. The book is on-line in both text and audio formats for free.

[A_perfect_lady]

Why hasn't the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC)... named Bin laden directly and condemned him and other terrorist organizations as apostates to the Muslim Religion?

You know, that's a VERY good question. We ought to spread that question far and wide.