[shibumi]

Well, I don't know your mom, but I do know that "love" given in the wrong way (i.e. showing submission instead of leadership, allowing dominance and "alpha" behavior instead of exhibiting it) can, in a way that seems strange to the human mind (since we, after all, are not pack animals) be torture for dogs who crave a purpose and a "place."

I don't want to sound flip, but has this 78 year old woman (which means she was at least well into her 60's when she got the dogs - right?) ever enforced an exercise program for them?

You think Sgt Stubby was a Boxer? OK.

Sure.

...whatever...

[Windflier]

..."love" given in the wrong way (i.e. showing submission instead of leadership, allowing dominance and "alpha" behavior instead of exhibiting it) can, in a way that seems strange to the human mind (since we, after all, are not pack animals) be torture for dogs who crave a purpose and a "place."

Aye, aye, aye...

My family has owned dogs of all sorts since long before I was born. I grew up with lots of dogs, and nearly every member of my family keeps at least one. I currently have a wonderful dog, myself.

I have never known any dog to need anything more than simple affection, and a bit of discipline to grow into a healthy, well-behaved pet. I've never known any dog to need the sort of psychological management that you describe.

Trust me, my mom exhibits the "Alpha" behavior you speak of. There's no question that she's in charge of her turf. She's a natural command personality.

Alright. I think I've said enough on this. We have very divergent views on pit bull terriers, and I don't expect us to find much common ground discussing it further. In truth, it's not my most passionate subject, so I'm growing weary talking about it.

I respect your views, but disagree with them - as you obviously disagree with mine.

Good night, and we'll talk elsewhere on the forum.