Posted on 08/31/2010 11:18:40 AM PDT by a fool in paradise
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Nice personal attack there when debating the issue didn’t work for you. So typical of threads like this one.
So I guess your post about incorrectly taking things personally and apologizing for doing so means nothing. Got it.
But you said your kids never walk down the street alone even at 15. That you walk them. You said you don’t even walk alone anywhere. That’s surprising to some of us. Hell, you never walk alone. Anywhere. That’s surprising to some of us. Hell, I’ve been walking and driving alone most of my life.
You said you are keeping your kids from temptation and don’t allow them any freedom outside of you and your husband. So basically what we read is that your kids have absolutely no freedom to learn to make decisions for themselves. They only spend time with you and others just like you. And we read that as if they don’t have incremental freedom based on age as is what most of us experienced, then how can you trust them to ever make any decisions without you? It reads like you don’t allow them any freedom so therefore they don’t make any mistakes because you don’t allow it. No freedom, no temptation, no mistakes. Sorta like Islam.
So when they are teens or 20 somethings, never having experienced anything without you how do you know they will be able to handle all the choices and decisions they will have to make? Since they weren’t allowed to make any at all until they were adults? Oh right, they still won’t be allowed any freedom.
I think this is what Carley is addressing.
Hey, you can do whatever you want. I don’t care. Same as I don’t give a damn what you or anyone thinks of how I raise my kids.
For discussion sake, and we are posting on a message board (the big bad internet but most are ok with that since they post on it, lol, funny how that works ain’t it), it’s ok to have differing opinions. I could think you’re weird and feel sorry for your kids and you could think the same of me and mine. It doesn’t matter. But, it’s good to discuss this stuff with other people who share our basic values. Attacking them personally sorta cuts all that discussion off, imo.
So I get that you allow your kids absolutely no freedom whatsoever until they are some age past 15 or whatever age you deem appropriate. Maybe when they are married? Therefore, they can’t earn your trust because they are never without you to make any decisions on their own that you supposedly taught them by allowing them no freedom whatsoever. So they can never earn your trust or be tested on that trust.
Of course you’re sure your kids will never do anything wrong WHILE THEY ARE UNDER 21 or whatever age because they are never given the chance to make any decisions on their on.
Can’t have any temptation interfering with making any decisions, choosing to do the right thing with no restrictions, lol.
I think it’s just fine you raise your kids the way you deem right. It would be nice if that sentiment was reciprocated but we all know it isn’t.
So you stay right up on that high horse of your’s honey and heaven forbid your kids don’t follow you exactly. I hope that bubble doesn’t burst for them or you.
And when is that “independence” supposed to happen if they are never given the opportunity to work towards that independence?
Please. The world has always been barbaric. Our kids have is way easier than those of a few generations ago and certainly more than those hundreds of years ago.
Children need protection. They always needed protection and this era is the time they get the most protection. Children also need to learn how to defend themselves. The children today are the LEAST equipped to defend themselves because the liberals and other nanny-staters, lots of so called conservatives, refuse to allow them to defend themselves.
Mu kids aren’t or weren’t equipped to grow up in the city like I did. Duh. That was the point of moving here. But they have been taught how to defend themselves without living in a bubble. Others do it differently and that’s just fine and some of us do it another way and that’s just fine too. I sure as hell don’t want the govt, federal, state, judicial involved or dictating how I raise my kids.
It is a huge deal and his son is the perpetrator and now he’s suing.
It’s not something really new. Been going on for a while...kids rubbing their crotch in another’s face/teabagging with clothes on.
Used to be girls who experienced this and now it’s boy on boy.
Or maybe teach the kids to fight back but oh we can’t do that anymore.
Oh please. lol
Especially today when parents are sticking up for their kids who exhibit this behavior and it’s becoming more common. And the victim can’t defend himself anymore.
Unfortunately, it is becoming common for this type of thing. They are learning it’s ok and that their parents won’t punish/ground them.
“Sorta like Islam.”
Don’t respond to me again. Comparing my love and protection of my children to a hate filled child abusing worldview is inexcusable.
We don’t know all the details.
We had a similar incident at our k-8 Catholic school. Last year! I only knew about it because my daughter was friends with both the victim and the perpetrators. She sat between both so heard all the details before it was brought to the attention of the school.
There were suspensions of course. And the victim left the school and didn’t attend 8th grade.
He never ratted the kids out, though. Another witness did and my kid only told me and I didn’t make much of it at the time. I didn’t know the whole story.
But it’s interesting how the parents of the perptrators reacted. Their kids did nothing wrong of course.
This is still a discussion in our house and we call them the homo bathroom boys, losers who will never be allowed to date our daughters.
You sound very angry. Did I say the fedgov or stategov or countygov or municipalgov should protect anyone’s children?
At the same time, kids should not be permitted to torment or sexually molest other kids. You think that should be permitted; apparently.
I am not saying that children should be protected from responsbility, vigorous play or exercise or fun, from learning to work and having a work ethic.
I am saying they should be protected from sickos, freaks, predators, and kids who are on the way to becoming such. Kids should not have to endure crap like what this article describes. This era protects children too much from things they should be able to experience like riding bikes without helmets, working, being properly disciplined, and so on. But they are not protected enough from molesters, which includes many teachers, or leftist propaganda in schools, and other crap which wasn’t around when I was a kid.
In my younger kids school it was just a suspension for the perpetrators.
If my kid was the victim, those boys would have been terrifed to come back to school.
Oh wait, if one of my kids were the victim (just even typing one of my kids being a victim...um no) she would have beat the hell out of the wimps.
The victim of the teabagging in our school never ratted those kids out. Hid parents took him out at the end of the year along with their other kid.
A part of me wonders what the hell the parents of the victim and perpetrators were thinking. If that were my kid, as a victim, she would have beat the hell out of them or I would have scared the hell out of them. If my kid was the perpetrator, house arrest at the very least. Why were the parents not more appalled by this behavior?
Back when I was in school, boys didn’t do that to other boys.
I agree and I don’t give a damn if any moron calls me a racist or bigot.
It’s spreading for sure but all the great kids, and there are many and they outweigh the morons, don’t get the press.
Great post.
Please. Anyone with a brain or hormones knew what a BJ/oral sex was.
Oral sex may not have been a topic for some but it was always around and happened. And normal.
I agree with the rest of your post.
Twink, you’re one of the rudest people I’ve seen on FR for quite some time.
Sounds as though you could have used a little more parental guidance growing up, maybe you wouldn’t be so coarse and aggressive now.
Some years ago when I lived in northern CA - a small town - two young women were kidnapped, raped and killed. While they were walking alone (separate occasions). The killers tried it again but fortunately the young woman escaped.
I supposed it was just a learning experience for the two that didn’t escape, according to your philosophy. ]Bad luck for them, eh. Maybe they should have been better at fighting back or something. Or been a tough cookie like yourself and ripped the kidnapper/rapists limb from limb.
EXACTLY!
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