Posted on 08/31/2010 11:18:40 AM PDT by a fool in paradise
It may have occurred in more private situations (and certainly OTHER crude behavior occurred).
Feudalism was the system they built, and a universal (through most of Europe) Catholic Church. One collapsed under the new system of nationalism, and the other fractured.
The people living at that time knew they had lost a LOT from “the ancients” and awaited a “rebirth” of knowledge. That “rebirth” did much more to build the civilizations and systems that we enjoy today.
A bit deep and off track for this discussion, but I thought the point about the historic perspective on the appropriate behavior of 14 year olds was interesting in light of Barbara's observation.
Yes, and you won’t get any argument from me that kids act out more in public. Although in HS in the 80’s it was pretty wild.
It’s interesting, but all thru history until recent times people did not live to an advanced age, so most of what we call civilization was built by people the age of those who are now still playing around. There was not an option for a mid teen 2000 years ago to not at the very least to be working at whatever it was the adults were doing. We have infantalized (ok, not a word, but I think you know what I mean) our kids to the point that they continue to make stupid decisions when their peers were living their lives, and often taking care of themselves.
Yes, and we weren’t angels in the 1970s (altho we also were much less public because after the school got done with us our parents were waiting in line to do something worse!)
Yes I realize that raising my children outside of the culture is weird (not what most people are doing). It has also produced some very responsible kids that I don’t have to worry if they will sexually assault someone’s face.
We also value family above friendships. I understand that is weird as well. When we visit friends, we do it as a family. My daughter has no friends that we are not friends with her parents. Her peers do not determine her values.
We have not told my daughter she is “not allowed to dat”. We have raised her for courtship which is a totally different mindset and she thinks dating is weird. My daughter has decided to save her heart and even her first kiss for marriage.
I don’t advocate 24/7 visual and audio supervision of my children. I advocate being there for them.
So you think that your friend’s daughter’s “ability” to walk down the street by herself was more important than protecting her purity?
My children have plenty of freedom. They got up early so they could finish their school work and they are now spending time doing what they choose to do. My son is building and my daughter is learning a new song.
By being led astray, I was not referring to walking down the street. I was referring to the time that the daughter had to build a relationship with this boy that she was willing to deceive her parents to be with him. No boy has that kind of access to my daughter. The ones that have showed her any inappropriate attention, she has promptly reported to her daddy.
I wouldn’t allow my 15 year old to walk alone because it isn’t safe. I don’t walk alone either and I am 36 years old.
And even without being supervised 24/7, rubbing your crotch in another kid's face is so far outside the bounds of "ok" I can't even imagine thinking "oh, my poor kid just made one tiny mistake, boo hoo." My kid would have a sore behind on top of whatever other punishment he got.
I agree with your comment (brytlea, somewhere in the thread) that one of the most unpleasant elements is that the boy’s father doesn’t think his son did anything wrong. It would be interesting to describe the situation to, say, the fathers who will be at our Cub Scouts meeting tomorrow, and find out how many of them would find that behavior acceptable. Except that I’m too squeamish even to talk about this kind of thing in public!
Florida has virtual public schools, with the students learning at home but supplied by the school system and monitored by a teacher. Maybe that would be a good choice for this boy, who is already a grade behind his age-cohort, and who knows how far below grade level in accomplishment. Pinning all his hopes on a future as a gladiator is poor risk-management. Put the same resources and effort into reading, writing, and math, and he might amount to something.
Common sense. I didn’t know FL offered that (I didn’t teach public school here). Sounds like a good alternative. I am not a fan of alternative schools, because they are full of..well, kids who got into trouble. However, unless kids thing there are serious repercussions to anti-social behavior they will continue to ramp it up. The more they push the envelope without painful consequences, the more likely they are to engage in worse and worse behavior.
I like your tagline!
Well said
Did I tickle him? YEAH, I DID. I not only tickled him, I held him down and tickled him until he damn near turned blue.
I never did anything like that to anyone when I was a kid. I never saw anyone do anything like that to anyone - and I saw some pretty bad things. This is homo-sexual assault, and I’m glad the districk is take it serious. Caint hep but wonder about the races involve though.
It is NOT horsing around, and it IS gang behavior.
It’s the prison sex rule. The boy thrusting his crotch in the kid’s face wasn’t having sex with another boy. The boy he was doing it to was the gay one because he wasn’t strong enough to stop him.
Actually, I could have imagined something like that happening when I was a kid, around 1970. I DON’T remember incidents of a homosexual nature like that, but a lot of sh!t happened. The posters are right, nothing would have happened to the kid back then. In this case, I think intervention is RIGHT.
We are ALL on the road to serfdom my friend.
Gollllleeee, we don’ git ta do NUTHIN at work no more.
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