Posted on 08/30/2010 4:36:54 PM PDT by DariusBane
Do you want me to come over and read it for you? Here it is:
OP: Sorry. I'd go back to no turn on red at all.
Me: I wouldn’t…
As in, "I wouldn't...go back to no turn on read." I'm going to make up a statistic....99.68% of drivers agree with me on that.
I see you fancy yourself as some sort of deep thinker. Here area couple of clues to put in your clue bag...
1. Read, Think, Post
2. There is a difference between limited government and no government.
You're welcome.
It is MY business when MY insurance rates go up because someone is TOO DAMNED DUMB to put on a seatbelt.
I am certainly not impugning the RIGHT of citizens to make any stupid law they want to make. I am trying (clumsily) to ask the question of the philosophy behind these rules.
“As for my neighbors wanting to coerce me, well, it is within their right as a town to set their speed limit at 5 mph and ticket me for doing 6 mph. I can always choose to drive elsewhere.”
That is EXACTLY the question I am trying to ask. Many here on this forum could not wait for the new seat belt laws. I even read people saying, in regards to cell phone laws, that yes, they found that cell phones did indeed distract their own driving, so they could not wait for the new laws so they would stop driving and texting. Apparently because they were incapable of self regulation, they desired to bring the full force of government upon themselves, and me, in order to save themselves from their own stupidity. Or perhaps the sheeple just saw a report on 60 min on the subject and were convinced that it was "the right thing to do".
So I am trying, to challenge people who live in these towns to think twice, no three times before demanding new laws to impose on themselves and everybody else. It's pretty much a losing proposition because small government is out, big government is in. People love voting for new bond issues to add new cops. Then they have to find something for them to do after all.
geeze, I was agreeing with you. I didn’t even have to think very deeply for that.
That’s a great argument for rejecting the collectivist paradigm that we live in. You pay your bills. I will pay my bills, and leave the armed union thugs out of it.
Good questions, all. The answer, of course, is that it’s always the biggest morons in society who believe themselves the greatest geniuses - and who have the right, therefore, to control the rest of us.
I wouldn’t be so harsh. I obey the traffic laws as scrupulously as I can, particularly stop lights and stop signs.
As another poster accurately stated, that time you roll through the sign, there is going to be a cop there. I take this approach for two reasons: first, I don’t want to be held up while a ticket is written. Second, I don’t want to pay the outrageous ticket fees and the even more outrageous insurance surcharges.
The last time I got a ticket was in 1985, for speeding. (knocks on wood) I am not an angel. I routinely do 75-80 mph on the highway, but only if everyone else is going nearly that fast. I do occasionally go through a light at 0200, on a deserted road, but only when I am going home from work. I figure if I am polite, explain truthfully that I was working late at the hospital, most cops are likely to be reasonable. (I do think the concept of going to blinking yellow lights at those hours in certain places is just common sense)
Bottom line, I am not a sheep. I simply hate parting with money I don’t need to part with. I may be willing to stand on a barricade and taunt federal officials who want to arrest me because I didn’t pay my yearly Obamacare tribute, but doing that for 25 mph traffic or because I wanted to do a rolling stop...not so much.
What you saw was a demonstration of what psychologists call “rule-driven” behavior. It contrasts with “ego-driven” behavior. There are two kinds of people: the ones who will sit at that light until it changes, completely disregarding all common sense or heightened observation; and those who will exercise individual discretion, prudently pulling through the intersection in recognition of the fact that their lives will not be ruled by a brainless machine stuck on stupid.
Nice revision.
This is why I’m glad FR doesn’t have an edit feature.
ok great. I guess we could figure out a way to argue if you like.
I did not care for the driving in France or Italy, but the Germans were very good. Of course the occasional wrecks were rather spectacular.
When I came home to USA, I was actually appalled at the serious bad driving skills in America.
These days, I drive an average of 50 miles a week.
I like living near my work, and I am greatful for low fuel idiot lights. (Otherwise I'd run out of gas somewhere in walking distance of my house.)
I have not filled up for about a month now.
Not so fast FM!
You better check closely next time before you do.
Where I live, we have a small sign posted at an intersection the says plainly “No Right Turn On Red Light”.
Kalifornia makes up rules as it goes.
Auburn Ca....Intersection of Foresthill Ave and Lincoln Way.
I know what you mean. I have driven around 50k miles a year for many years. I also am appalled at the driving skills shown by my fellow road users. I think the problem is that rules have replaced skills. Make enough rules and you can survive while driving like a moron. Same theory as a room full of armed mean is a room full of polite men.
I am usually comfortable around OTR drivers and service trucks, and usually P/U’s with trailers. I am most wary of sports cars with young drivers, minivans with momma and the kids. Weekends are really the worse as the office workers find their car keys.
Shouldn’t be distracted with GPS. Take it out.
Shouldn’t be distracted with an annoying passenger like a whinny person saying “we are lost”, “you are driving to fast” (always cracks me as I watch cars go flying by), “Why don’t you just pass this idiot and why are you in the slow lane. Don’t you know how to drive? (Cracks me up again, from the same person who complained about driving to fast.)
“Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera”
Shouldn’t be distracted with kids in the car. Leave them home.
All wipers should be federal mandated to have laser on them so they wipe as needed and you don’t have to figure out what speed to put them on or where the “turn on switch thing is”.
No cute toys or ornaments any where near the front window, on the dashboard or hanging from a mirror. (Sorry bobble head Chihuahua)
No cute toys or ornaments any where near the back window, on the deck or stickers. (Again, sorry bobble head Chihuahua)
No stickers on the side windows (impairs your view)
No dry cleaning hanging from anywhere in the car. Makes noise and impairs your view.
No ashtray, no smoking, no eating and drinking anything in the car (you should have both hands on the wheel at all times, in the 10 and 2 O’clock positions.
No putting on lipstick or make up ever and no shaving.
No more vanity mirrors, you shouldn’t be looking at anything but the road.
No pets ever. Never know what they are going to do.
Exceptions:
Police -
3 to 5 radio channels transmitting information all the time, computer sending info all the time, GPS sending info all the time, they can talk on radio and switch to secure channels, Cell phone use is frequent.They do have drinks in car; have to look at license plates as they travel down the road, look for people in distress, look for crime, look for infractions, etc.
Truck Drivers -
CB is allowed, GPS is allowed, and Radio is allowed, pets in the front seat or back of cab, lunch, dinner and snacks. Cooler for their drinks and yes drinks, Cell phone, a bunch more dials of information to ensure the truck and trailer are running correctly.
Airline Pilots -
Just look at all that crap in the cockpit! How do they do it?
Well I for one hated both the seat belt and cell phone laws. If you have a wreck talking on the phone and the LEO figures out you're too simple minded to talk and drive, he should give you a ticket for distracted driving.
...they could not wait for the new laws so they would stop driving and texting.
I wouldn't even think about driving and texting, it's so stupid and impossible to do, they shouldn't have even had the need to pass a law against it. It's worse than DUI and they should be able to hit you with the same exact penalties as drunk driving, including loss of license.
Apparently because they were incapable of self regulation.
"Self regulation"? I'm worried about the other guy texting. What am I supposed to do, force the DWT moron off the road and wait until the cops arrive?
That is the reason the Founders wrote the Constitution and Bill of Rights. What was impossible to achieve was the ability to make law as to the intent of all the words. Over the course of two centuries, evil men have perversely interpreted those words to mean what would give them power and control.
Power and control equates to wealth, i.e. "the love of money".
That’s the root theory of small government theory. That my friend is why you don’t build a government that has the power to right all wrongs.
The Founders did not build such a government. Evil men have created it using interpretive powers out of whole cloth. The most egregious example being Row v. Wade.
Just my $.02 worth...
LOL.
I work in medicine, and wouldn’t drive without a seatbelt unless there were mitigating circumstances...as a new student, I worked with a pretty young girl with her face carved up with huge, puffy red gashes that had been stitched together with dozens of thick, black sutures. She told me she had only been doing 20 mph, and thought her stiff arms would keep her face off the wheel at that speed.
I wouldn’t get on a motorcycle or bicycle without a helmet, because I have done brain death studies on young guys who didn’t make it home on their Harley.
But, I abhor the state mandating these things. I do feel that if you don’t wear your seatbelt or a helmet and are injured in an accident (where it is documented) that your private car/medical insurance has to pay for, then I wouldn’t have a problem if they raised your rates by 50% or more. You can choose to wear the helmet, pay the penalty or find an insurer who will take your money and provide you with service.
But I don’t see how the state should be involved here.
As for cell phone yakkers on the road, I don’t think it should be outlawed. I just think they should have them shoved up their anal orifice. Cell phone yakkers really piss me off, but I don’t see how a law is going to help.
And don’t even get me started with road-texters.
Nah, just give the idiot plenty of room, and relax.
Yup
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