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Ayn Rand: Goddess of the Great Recession
Christianity Today | 8/28/2010 | Garry Moore

Posted on 08/28/2010 7:06:10 PM PDT by Mojave

This past spring, the Financial Industry Inquiry Commission held hearings on the world's recent financial crisis. The star witness was Alan Greenspan. The Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan translated Greenspan's typically elusive testimony this way: "I didn't do anything wrong, and neither did Ayn Rand by the way, but next time you might try more regulation."

There were obviously many reasons for the Great Recession. But I believe Noonan got to the root of one particular evil.

Fortune magazine once labeled Greenspan "America's most famous libertarian, an Ayn Rand acolyte." (While Rand formally rejected libertarianism, libertarians nonetheless admire her.) But today, both libertarians and Randians are disassociating themselves from Greenspan as quickly as Wall Street.


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To: Hoodat

You just blew my mind. Excellent smackdown to the “Jesus as communist” position.


21 posted on 08/28/2010 8:05:29 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Hoodat

Good one.


22 posted on 08/28/2010 8:06:29 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: DesertRhino
“the core of the right-wing ideology that Rand spearheaded was a rejection of moral obligations to others.”

Liberals also reject their 'moral' self-obligations to others, relying instead on forcing others to fulfill those obligations in their place.

23 posted on 08/28/2010 8:06:29 PM PDT by Hoodat (.For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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To: DesertRhino
I would like to see anything that Rand wrote, which rejected morality as a basis for ANY dealings with anyone.

"Achievement of your happiness is the only moral purpose of your life, and that happiness, not pain or mindless self-indulgence, is the proof of your moral integrity, since it is the proof and the result of your loyalty to the achievement of your values." --Ayn Rand

It would probably be more accurate to say that she gutted morality, rather than rejected it.

24 posted on 08/28/2010 8:10:02 PM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: Mojave

1. That is a gross oversimplification of Rand’s “Objectivism”.

2. It was governments attempt to be “compasionate” with other people’s money that triggered the sub-prime crisis,not capitalism, Objectivism, or any other kind of ism.


25 posted on 08/28/2010 8:10:20 PM PDT by NavVet ("You Lie!")
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To: Hoodat

exactly


26 posted on 08/28/2010 8:10:33 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Mojave; Irisshlass; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...

God... a being whose only definition is that he is beyond man’s power to conceive.
Ayn Rand

If any civilization is to survive, it is the morality of altruism that men have to reject.
Ayn Rand

Achievement of your happiness is the only moral purpose of your life, and that happiness, not pain or mindless self-indulgence, is the proof of your moral integrity, since it is the proof and the result of your loyalty to the achievement of your values.
Ayn Rand

Ask yourself whether the dream of heaven and greatness should be waiting for us in our graves - or whether it should be ours here and now and on this earth.
Ayn Rand

Every aspect of Western culture needs a new code of ethics - a rational ethics - as a precondition of rebirth.
Ayn Rand

Every man builds his world in his own image. He has the power to choose, but no power to escape the necessity of choice.
Ayn Rand


27 posted on 08/28/2010 8:10:46 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: NavVet
That is a gross oversimplification of Rand’s “Objectivism”.

A is A. How do you oversimplify that?

28 posted on 08/28/2010 8:12:09 PM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: Lurker

“Burns is a liar.”

OK, what Rand quotes support your claim?


29 posted on 08/28/2010 8:13:09 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: narses

One must keep her morality and her economics separate.

She was brilliant with economics/freedom and deluded with her morality.

I wanted my daughters to read Atlas Shrugged but not the crap that filters through the good stuff. I got the Cliff Notes.


30 posted on 08/28/2010 8:13:09 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am inyenzi on the Religion Forum)
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To: Popman

Don’t accept the premise of the article. Just because Rand didn’t support Alturism doesn’t mean she was opposed to charity, she was not.


31 posted on 08/28/2010 8:13:30 PM PDT by NavVet ("You Lie!")
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To: narses

Thanks. Ayn was a Kmart version of Nietzsche.


32 posted on 08/28/2010 8:13:41 PM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: Mojave
it was somewhere claimed that atlas shrugged was the most influential book on thinking americans since the bible.

i have never heard your assertion, but dont doubt it has been put out there.

all of her works remain in print, no small feat for fiction/philosophy.

i am presently rereading the fountainhead and for the new intellectual.

many people are immediately turned off by her writing style, not to mention objectivism.

33 posted on 08/28/2010 8:14:42 PM PDT by mmercier
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To: Hoodat

I wish I could sear that citation into my brain for dealing with Social Justice Christians.

Spot on!


34 posted on 08/28/2010 8:15:15 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am inyenzi on the Religion Forum)
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To: netmilsmom

“One must keep her morality and her economics separate.”:

May I beg to differ?

Morality, economics and politics all inter-relate. Read Rerum Novarum for an incredible, articulate for that point of view.


35 posted on 08/28/2010 8:15:46 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: Mojave

Well said!


36 posted on 08/28/2010 8:16:49 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: Mojave
The highest moral obligation one human being has to another is to never through force or fraud deprive them of the fruits of their labors or their life. That's the core of Objectivism.

If you have a problem with that there's something wrong with you, not Rand.

37 posted on 08/28/2010 8:17:24 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Mojave
Rothbard wrote that many of the "philosophical insights" Rand claimed as her creations were actually stolen from a number of Jesuit writers.

Name two of them.

38 posted on 08/28/2010 8:19:51 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Mojave

And then she continues by saying if it makes you happy to help others, or to express love others, then you should do so. She just says that doing it solely because it makes you happy as a person is reason enough.
She *never* says that a person should not love a family, protect an elderly parent, or even help a stranger. She just says you should do it solely because it is what you wish to do. Never because you feel compelled by force, or some misguided sense of unearned obligation.

There’s no gutting of morality there whatsoever, unless of course, you think guilt or fear should be a person’s main motivation.


39 posted on 08/28/2010 8:20:27 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Lurker

“Burns is a liar.”

Two quotes then, just two showing that Burns is a liar. Go ahead, post them!


40 posted on 08/28/2010 8:22:13 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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